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Trayvon Martin school suspension linked to pot(edited)

Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

Not that it's relevent, but I can't help but wonder what a 17 y/o kid was doing going to the store for skittles and ice tea at 2:30 in the morning. Shouldn't have been at home or in bed? I know if my nearly 17 y/o son asked me if he could walk to the store in the middle of the night, I'd kick his ass and tell him to get to bed. Especially if he was with me because he had been kicked out of school. I'd have his ass on lockdown and he wouldn't be going anywhere. Or am I wrong and this happened in the afternoon?

So now this happened at 2:30 in the morning did it? That must be why he was declared dead at 7:30PM. Rofl. FAIL.
 
Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

Not that it's relevent, but I can't help but wonder what a 17 y/o kid was doing going to the store for skittles and ice tea at 2:30 in the morning. Shouldn't have been at home or in bed? I know if my nearly 17 y/o son asked me if he could walk to the store in the middle of the night, I'd kick his ass and tell him to get to bed. Especially if he was with me because he had been kicked out of school. I'd have his ass on lockdown and he wouldn't be going anywhere. Or am I wrong and this happened in the afternoon?

Maybe he was stoned and needed some sugar and something for the cotton mouth.
 
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Not that it's relevent, but I can't help but wonder what a 17 y/o kid was doing going to the store for skittles and ice tea at 2:30 in the morning.
It was 7 in the evening. fyi
Double check your sources.
 
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Rarely am I liking so many posts with opposing views to mine. This is a real toughie.

Don't get bent out of shape about it. This issue has got me thanking VanceMack and j-mac's posts. It's kind of a weird time at Debate Politics for sure.
 
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Not that it's relevent, but I can't help but wonder what a 17 y/o kid was doing going to the store for skittles and ice tea at 2:30 in the morning....

must have been scoppin' for white women, or unlocked cars to jack, eh Oscar?
 
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must have been scoppin' for white women, or unlocked cars to jack, eh Oscar?
that's a pretty tasteless comment imho
 
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Don't get bent out of shape about it. This issue has got me thank VanceMack and j-mac's posts. It's kind of a weird time at Debate Politics for sure.
Not to worry...Im sure within days the world will once again be made right... ;)
 
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I think we should wait for all the facts to come out before we all rush to judgement; because new facts are going to come out everyday that will slightly change the story each time, so right now there is really no point in speculating about what really happened.

Its tons of fun to play whodunnit.

We just need to remember that's all we're doing here.
 
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Not to worry...Im sure within days the world will once again be made right... ;)

Nah my friend. Most of the US(including this forum) will move on to another issue. One innocent kid will still be dead and two parents will still be in mourning. There isn't much that is right about that.
 
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Not to worry...Im sure within days the world will once again be made right...
Nah my friend. Most of the US(including this forum) will move on to another issue. One innocent kid will still be dead and two parents will still be in mourning. There isn't much that is right about that.

Sort of like Kony?
 
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Sort of like Kony?

The same way. Most people are too stupid to realize Kony is just a player in a really big chess game. They'll stop caring when they have to do more than watch YouTube videos.
 
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Whether he was or not doesn't matter. History unwritten is unwritten. What we do know is that Zimmerman sought out confrontation, ignored the warning to back off. This gives him a certain level of responsibility even if he was attacked.

Maybe to put this in another context would be helpful.

Person A is doing 70 in a 25 zone.

He runs a stop sign and t-bones a car that ALSO ran the stop sign but was travelling 25 mph.

Driver B dies.

BOTH ran the stop sign, but driver A was speeding.

Responsibility is APPORTIONED in such cases isn't it?

And would make driver A MORE responsible. Right?
 
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Too soon?

He's not tall enough to hold an AK. So I'd say yes.
 
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The same way. Most people are too stupid to realize Kony is just a player in a really big chess game. They'll stop caring when they have to do more than watch YouTube videos.
Great grand scheme of things, all we can do is what we can do. We cant fix the world. We CAN take a stand for the police to at least do a moderately decent job in actually investigating incidents. And its something EVERYONE can get behind. We dont need to lynch anyone. We dont need to sanctify anyone. Somewhere along the way its enough if there is a little bit of 'justice'...law and order.
 
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and Zimmerman beating a cop, beating an ex-girlfriend, and having a restraining order placed upon him, lends to HIS credibility.
Where did you get Zimmerman beating a cop?

along with calling Martin an "asshole" and a "****ing punk" on the 911 call.
I've called you worse than that... so irrelevant.
 
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Where did you get Zimmerman beating a cop?

George Zimmerman had felony assault on police officer charge in '05 & 2 domestic assaults // Current TV

CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE
BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER
2005-MM-010436-A-O
ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
10/05/1983

CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITHOUT VIOLENCE
2005-DR-012980-O

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From what I can see - he lawyered up(his father is a judge).
 
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Burgulary tools? Come on... that's a stretch and you know it (or you don't).
That's what the article said....

Even so, on the night of the incident, none of that was present...
No one claimed it was... I've explained this gives credibility to Zimmermans statement.


Smoking pot has nothing to do with violent behavior.
No has claimed as such. Thats 2 for 2 on the strawmen.

The only possible related thing is the ALLEGED attempt to attack a bus driver. Zimmerman on the other hand has two accounts of him being violent on record.
So you claim Martin's past has nothing to do with that night, yet you contradict yourself and say Zimmermans past does. Congratulations - Irony is your strong suit. At least be consistent. :roll:

Wow, it's interesting that you're willing to take Zimmerman, a proven violent person, over a B student that got suspending for doing nothing violent. Amazing.
I'm not taking anyone over anyone... I'm stating that Zimmermans' statements give credibility given Martin's past. One may also say that Zimmerman's violent past also gives credibility to his shooting Martin.

No, I don't. Sneaking beer and viciously attacking a man from behind is not related.
Given beer has nothing to do with anything and you made up that hypothetical...

It's just character assassination.
No it's fact.

When you get some information about Martin attacking people out of the blue, then you'd have a point.
That's already been mentioned... you mentioned it as well.
 
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He was told to back off. he didn't. He followed and confronted, not according to NW rules. His actions have to speak to his part of the responsibility.

What's provable in court is what will ultimately matter.
 
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George Zimmerman had felony assault on police officer charge in '05 & 2 domestic assaults // Current TV

CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE
BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER
2005-MM-010436-A-O
ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
10/05/1983

CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITHOUT VIOLENCE
2005-DR-012980-O

-------------

From what I can see - he lawyered up(his father is a judge).

According to Florida law one cannot purchase a firearm if arrested for "resisting officer with violence" or "domestic violence" unless you can prove that the charges were dropped or you were acquitted, also to have a CCW in Florida if you are a convicted felon you need an executive clemency. Your speciously presented link does nothing to explain why Mr Zimmerman had both a handgun and a legal CCW permit in the state of Florida, it is only intended to provide more anti-gun and "Stand Your Ground Law" bashing instead of providing any sort of factual or pertinent information! As for being on topic exactly what does Zimmerman's arrests have to do with the topic of Martin's school suspension?
 
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George Zimmerman had felony assault on police officer charge in '05 & 2 domestic assaults // Current TV

CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE
BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER
2005-MM-010436-A-O
ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
10/05/1983

CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITHOUT VIOLENCE
2005-DR-012980-O

-------------

From what I can see - he lawyered up(his father is a judge).

No final conviction, no guilt.
The allegation was an officer was arresting a friend of Zimmerman and he shoved the officer off his friend. It was never alleged he beat up a cop. The final disposition was a dismissal. Sounds overall like Zimmerman is a guy a person would like on his side.

The other thing on his record is a woman filed for a protective order. It was not a criminal case. Courts tend to hand those out like candy. However, he was NOT put under a protective order and the file ordered sealed. While that indicates the court sided with him, regardless it came to nothing.

Dismissed on the criminal charge and the other dropped ang a non-criminal matter - both adding up to nothing.
 
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According to Florida law one cannot purchase a firearm if arrested for "resisting officer with violence" or "domestic violence" unless you can prove that the charges were dropped or you were acquitted, also to have a CCW in Florida if you are a convicted felon you need an executive clemency. Your speciously presented link does nothing to explain why Mr Zimmerman had both a handgun and a legal CCW permit in the state of Florida, it is only intended to provide more anti-gun and "Stand Your Ground Law" bashing instead of providing any sort of factual or pertinent information!

Because he was not convicted of either. Hatuey has posted what he posted many times, and leaves off what actually matters. That is was dismissed.

The "battery against and officer" case... The officer alleged Z pushed the cop away from a friend of his the officer was arresting in a bar. Z claimed he did so because the officer was not just arresting, but hurting his friend. The police agreed to drop it and in turn that also resolved the potential police brutality investigation. The officer did NOT claim Z hit or kicked the officer, resisted or made any threats. BUT what matters is that it was dismissed.
Hatuey leaves that off figuring you'd believe Z was convicted of it. He wasn't.

PS - good deductive reasoning on part as you spotted what he was posting made no sense because Z couldn't had a gun or a permit - meaning you are someone who looks at the law on these matters.
 
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No final conviction, no guilt.
The allegation was an officer was arresting a friend of Zimmerman and he shoved the officer off his friend. It was never alleged he beat up a cop. The final disposition was a dismissal. Sounds overall like Zimmerman is a guy a person would like on his side.

The other thing on his record is a woman filed for a protective order. It was not a criminal case. Courts tend to hand those out like candy. However, he was NOT put under a protective order and the file ordered sealed. While that indicates the court sided with him, regardless it came to nothing.

Dismissed on the criminal charge and the other dropped ang a non-criminal matter - both adding up to nothing.

that won't stop hatuey from continuing his lies and omissions. he already knew all this in fact, but still presented the evidence anyway
 
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