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Trayvon Martin school suspension linked to pot(edited)

Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

This entire story is completely irrelevant to the events that unfolded. This is a right wing smear campaign aimed at a victim of a murder.

It is relevent in that it shows the true character of Martin. He was not the sweet innocent child the media would have you believe. And, just maybe, he was the kind of guy who would react violently (aka punching in the nose etc) when confronted and asked a simple question. Let ALL the facts come out and if they show that Zimmerman committed murder then lock him away for life. Until then call off the death threats and bounty hunters.
 
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OscarB63 said:
It is relevent in that it shows the true character of Martin. He was not the sweet innocent child the media would have you believe.

Even if Trayvon Martin did marijuana, even if he dealt drugs, it isn't relevant to the fact that he is a murder victim.

Let ALL the facts come out and if they show that Zimmerman committed murder then lock him away for life.

Oh shut up, your faux impartiality is a joke when all you do is attack the character of a teenage murder victim.
 
It was posted many times on this forum that Trayvon Martin had only been suspended for "tardiness." That was more deliberate false information to support the claim he was a perfect behavior African-American child walking home from a candy store.

Instead, it looks like George Zimmerman had hit the nail on the head in his evaluation of Martin.

Trayvon Martin was on suspension for school for possessing burglary tools and a bagging with traces of marijuana. The latter suggests drug dealing.

In his 911 call, Zimmerman told the police that Martin was acting suspiciously, then that Martin was approaching him - Martin putting his hand in his waistband and then in his pocket. He told the police it was clear by Martin's behavior that he was on drugs.

However, when Martin saw Zimmerman on the phone, he turned and ran. Why? It is not an unreasonable conclusion he ran because he had dope on him. Then seeing Zimmerman off the phone and Martin either not wanting Zimmerman to see his hiding his dope or seeing what house he went to unless the police then searched it, he attacked Zimmerman coming to use deadly force beating Zimmerman's head into the concrete as Zimmerman shouted for help.

No one carries dope unless they use dope. Since there is no way to smoke dope in school due to odors, it likely the reason the bag only had residuals was because he was dealing it in school. May have been dealing the night Zimmerman saw him and/or out of the house getting stoned. A person who as illegal drugs uses illegal drugs.

Oh, he also was suspended for vandalizing school property spraying "WTF" on a locker(s).

Burglary tools? Dope? Likely dope dealing at school and in the neighborhood? Caught with a burglary tool and women's jewelry? Hiding something in his pocket seeing someone calling the police and running? Property destruction and vandalism?
Slamming Zimmerman's head into the concrete as Zimmerman screamed pleading someone to help him - and Zimmerman just continuing his deadly-force assault likely doped up at the time?


This contradicts the incessant portrayal innocent perfect behavior little Trayvon Martin just walking straight home from the C-store with candy. And it would appear that Zimmerman's observation of Martin to 911 was dead-on accurate.

It appears highly possible that Martin was a doped-up burglar and drug dealer casing and working the neigbhorhood when Zimmerman gave a damn and called 911 for police to come check him out. Zimmerman "following" him appears to see where he went or where he dumped drugs he was likely carrying (and using and maybe dealing) for when police arrived.

Trayvon Martin school suspension linked to pot - US news - Life - msnbc.com

Trayvon Martin case: He was suspended from school for having a 'burglary tool' | Mail Online

This has already been proven false in this thread, but let's just say he did deal dope and had burglary tools, does that in any way, shape, or form, change the fact that Zimmermans stalked him unjustly and ended up killing him?
 
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This is a tragedy. Zimmerman made a horrible mistake. A young man is dead. It points to the need for a whole new look at Neighborhood Watch programs. Was it murder? Only Zimmerman knows for sure. It points to the possible need for a law that says you cannot do anything more than call 911 when you see something you deem suspicious...the need for registering these groups...getting volunteers to sign agreements (which become contracts) as to what conduct is allowed and what isn't.

Gads. I can take either side of this so easily it's rather disconcerting.

There is a danger in just allowing armed citizens to play vigilante. A Neighborhood Watch is supposed to be watching and calling the cops. Then you let an actual LEO, who is trained in handling these situations, deal with it. If Zimmerman can do whatever he wants because it's "not illegal to get out of your car" why can't I round up some friends and some guns and ride around some crime ridden areas knocking off anyone that we think is a "gangsta?"

Armed gangs playing "cops and robbers" is not what I would call a recipe for law and order.
 
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We know he followed and got out of the car. We know dispatch told him not to.

No, Dispatch did not ORDER him not to. It was a suggestion, not an order, therefore what Zimmerman did was LEGAL up until right after he got out of the car. From there, as I've said many times, we don't know for sure all the facts.
 
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In light of this evidence, I've changed my position.

Obviously, Trayvon Martin deserved he Death Penalty, and it was clearly up to George Zimmerman to take it upon himself to be police, prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner.

I mean, if a New Black Panther leader is involved in drugs, clearly this means that Trayvon Martin needed to die...

You focused on the charges against the panther instead of on the bounty offered for Zimmerman? That's just weird.
 
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Want to know the irony of this thread? The very same people who are whining about Zimmerman being persecuted in the media without a fair trial are the very same people who are just making **** up about Martin that doesn't even exist, in order to destroy his reputation. Doesn't matter that Martin was being stalked by Zimmerman. Zimmerman shouldn't be convicted without a trial, but Martin should, and on **** that doesn't exist too.

Hyporcrite much, Zimmerman supporters? LOL.

Its not the same. I have no problem with anyone feeling or thinking anything they want negatively about Zimmerman. Whether there is basis to put him on trial is a different question.
For days it was presented as an agreed truism known to all that Trayvon Martin was the perfect behavior teen. That was presented on by all the media and in hundreds of messages on this forum. So whether or not that is true then is relevant. And none if has to do with putting Martin on trial in a criminal trial.
 
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none of this is related to the actual shooting incident.

this is merely character assassination.
 
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It is relevent in that it shows the true character of Martin. He was not the sweet innocent child the media would have you believe. And, just maybe, he was the kind of guy who would react violently (aka punching in the nose etc) when confronted and asked a simple question. Let ALL the facts come out and if they show that Zimmerman committed murder then lock him away for life. Until then call off the death threats and bounty hunters.

Hate to break it to you, but nothing in how he was suspended has anything whatsoever to do with how he acted the night he was killed. Further, owning a baggie and a screwdriver do not make some one violent. Don't let facts get in your way.
 
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No, Dispatch did not ORDER him not to. It was a suggestion, not an order, therefore what Zimmerman did was LEGAL.

Did I use the word order? Odd choice of wording you're using. I said told, as in stated. Order versus suggested? He was told to leave him alone. He chose not to. This gives him a certain amount of responsibility. It being legal to seek and try to start trouble has nothing to do with what I've said or argued.
 
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Whether he was or not doesn't matter. History unwritten is unwritten. What we do know is that Zimmerman sought out confrontation, ignored the warning to back off. This gives him a certain level of responsibility even if he was attacked.

The girl was told not to wear a skirt in the neighborhood by her mother, however, she did and was raped. Do you think the girl therefore has a certain level of responsibility even if she was raped?

I'm sorry, but no legal actions bear responsibilty to illegal actions being taken.
 
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Whether he was or not doesn't matter. History unwritten is unwritten. What we do know is that Zimmerman sought out confrontation, ignored the warning to back off. This gives him a certain level of responsibility even if he was attacked.

this is incorrect. we only know for sure that Zimmerman intended to monitor from a distance, not confront. you are making a huge leap beyond what is known, why?
 
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You focused on the charges against the panther instead of on the bounty offered for Zimmerman? That's just weird.

Evidence that some other guy in Atlanta is a criminal =/= Martin was a criminal and Zimmerman was justified.
 
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The girl was told not to wear a skirt in the neighborhood, however, she did and was rape. Do you think the girl therefore has a certain level of responsibility even if she was raped?

Not remotely the same. Sorry. Good try at comparing apples to tree frogs. This is someone seeking trouble, confrontation. this is not someone minding their own business.
 
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this is incorrect. we only know for sure that Zimmerman intended to monitor from a distance, not confront. you are making a huge leap beyond what is known, why?

No, he followed and got out of the vehicle. He was told to leave him alone. Not to follow.
 
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Hate to break it to you, but nothing in how he was suspended has anything whatsoever to do with how he acted the night he was killed. Further, owning a baggie and a screwdriver do not make some one violent. Don't let facts get in your way.

Did Zimmerman have Martin's school records in front of him? Doubtful.

Getting out of your car isn't illegal. Fine. Neither is possession of a screwdriver.
 
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this is incorrect. we only know for sure that Zimmerman intended to monitor from a distance, not confront....

that is Zimmerman's claim.

it has yet to be determind if he is telling the truth.

their is evidence that he is full of ****.
 
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Did I use the word order? Odd choice of wording you're using. I said told, as in stated. Order versus suggested? He was told to leave him alone. He chose not to. This gives him a certain amount of responsibility. It being legal to seek and try to start trouble has nothing to do with what I've said or argued.

LEGAL actions do not bear illegal actions being taken. Therefore no, by the fact of Zimmerman following and getting out of the car LEGALLY, does it warrant an illegal action being taken against him if that is what happened afterword.

Trayvon, could have called the police as well. In fact, if he did, he might be alive today.
 
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Not remotely the same. Sorry. Good try at comparing apples to tree frogs. This is someone seeking trouble, confrontation. this is not someone minding their own business.


Some think that wearing provocative outfits is seeking trouble. Quite similiar.
 
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their is evidence that he is full of ****.


and that evidence has not been shown as fact either. So the evidence could be full of **** too.
 
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No, he followed and got out of the vehicle. He was told to leave him alone. Not to follow.

Being told not to do something is an order, he was not ordered to do anything.
 
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and that evidence has not been shown as fact either. So the evidence could be full of **** too.

that evidence is from the 911 tape. the 911 tape is full of ****?
 
Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

Hate to break it to you, but nothing in how he was suspended has anything whatsoever to do with how he acted the night he was killed. Further, owning a baggie and a screwdriver do not make some one violent. Don't let facts get in your way.

You are correct, it has nothing to do with the night he was killed. The only thing it does is it explains why he was there (in Orlando instead of Miami-Dade) and it provides insight into his life and background. It seems the wholesome dead boy wasn't quite as wholesome as people were led to believe. One report in the OP links identified he was suspended 3 times and had burglary tools? That gives at least a little creedance to Zimmermans report that Martin was acting suspicious - it's now at least possible that Martin was indeed acting suspicious given the history.
 
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that is Zimmerman's claim.

it has yet to be determind if he is telling the truth.

their is evidence that he is full of ****.

There is evidence that he isn't full of it. The police have confirmed that they have multiple witnesses that back up key points of his account of events.
 
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Give me a break and get over yourself. None of your bull**** changes the fact that this kid would still be alive if Zimmerman had listened to the 911 operator and left the kid alone. Zimmerman should face the consequences of his actions.
See that bull**** excuse is just that. You could also easily say that if the kid went straight home, he would be alive as well.

The fact is up until right after Zimmerman got out of the car, everything that Zimmerman had done was LEGAL and did not cause the death of that kid. What happened afterwords we don't know all the facts as to whom to place the guilt to.
The fact is, Martin was stalked because he was black. Dr_Patrick is exactly right in that the course of events that led to Martin's death was initiated by Zimmerman. Legality has nothing to do with it; Martin was minding his own business and doing nothing wrong. Zimmerman was not.

That this even has to be explained illustrates the latent racism that still exists in this country.
 
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