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Trayvon Martin school suspension linked to pot(edited)

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Wow, can we get this thread moved to the Conspiracy Theory forum please? Because nothing in the OP is true...

A curious claim. That every major print and media network are all now engaged in a conspiracy to falsely slander and liable Martin. Your's is the claim of conspiracy.
 
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You're calling others "blatantly dishonest" in their posts

when you cite the Miami Herald and some UK rag???

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What's wrong with the Miami Herald? Knight-Ridder is a huge company that owns dozens of newspapers and TV stations. Let's not forget that it was TMH that brought us Dave Barry.
 
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Who gives a **** what he was suspended for? He beat up a man and got shot for it. And all the rosey stories and pictures aren't going to change that.
 
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Who gives a **** what he was suspended for? He beat up a man and got shot for it. And all the rosey stories and pictures aren't going to change that.

If some guy with a gun started chasing you down, and you started to fight with him, would you deserve to be shot?


People, come on... does possession of weed and getting caught spraypainting a locker really deserve the death penalty?

The whole point of this is that no one has the right to chase down and kill everyone that looks suspicious. That Trayvon might have fought back means nothing. I would fight back too if I was just standing there and some douche started pointing a gun at me.
 
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No. He was not:

Multiple suspensions paint complicated portrait of Trayvon Martin - Florida - MiamiHerald.com



How do you expect to be taken seriously if you cite rags which can't even get the article they cite right? Trayvon WAS NOT suspended because of "tools" - i.e. a screwdriver - he was suspended for GRAFFITI. This isn't a lie - it's what the article the Daily Mail references actually says.

Here is what the article the Daily Mail sources then states:



Please stop being so blatantly dishonest?



Hahaha. You're so ridiculous it's funny. No way to smoke dope? You mean weed? Because of odors? I guess you expect us to believe kids nowadays haven't heard of body spray? Good luck smelling weed through one spray of any local 3 dollar deodorant.

Who are you, his lawyer? Graffitti was all he did in school, but they found his bag for stuff like jewelry and a screwdriver..... and traces of marijuana. So what was he doing with it? Selling it for pot? You'll say anything to make this kid look like a choir boy. Oh it was harmless boyish fun.
 
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If some guy with a gun started chasing you down, and you started to fight with him, would you deserve to be shot?


People, come on... does possession of weed and getting caught spraypainting a locker really deserve the death penalty?

The whole point of this is that no one has the right to chase down and kill everyone that looks suspicious. That Trayvon might have fought back means nothing. I would fight back too if I was just standing there and some douche started pointing a gun at me.

And he knew he had a gun in the dark in the rain, how? Hyperbole much?
 
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He may have been on suspension for that, but it doesn't mean that he did anything here. I hadn’t heard the burglary tools, but I heard about a baggie with marijuana residue on it. He didn’t even really get caught with drugs, just the remnants of them. I don’t know, it all seems more to influence public opinion rather than some attempt to actually find the truth to this story.

If he was shot unlawfully; then the guilty party must stand trial. That’s all there is to it. We are all allowed to exercise our rights which includes carrying firearms; but that is not license to kill. If he was protecting himself, that’s one case. But it really doesn’t seem as if there had been enough investigation for that conclusion to be properly reached. This has to be investigated thoroughly and competently, that’s it.
 
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Ive said from the beginning...none of the peripheral stuff MATTERS. You want to drag what Martin may or may not have been accused of? Great...how does Zimmerman fare when you drag in HIS past? All that matters is the night of the kids death. Did the police find burglary tools on him? We would have heard of that...right? The simple fact is that Zimmerman armed himself, went out to play Superneighborhoodwatchman, called the police because apparently a guy with iced tea, skittles, and a hoodie is 'suspicious' stalked the kid even after being told by police dispatch not to, is heard making racially charged comments....then when the tables were turned on him, shot the kid claiming self defense. Had Zimmerman not armed himself...had he not followed the kid in his car, had he not followed him on foot even after being told not to, he wouldnt be getting his ass beat and the kid wouldnt be dead. You are placing the responsibility for the exchange on a 17 year old being chased by an unknown civilian stranger that followed him by vehicle and on foot...and you want to pretend if YOU were being stalked by someone in a vehicle and then on foot YOU wouldnt have been armed up or driven to defend YOURSELF.
 
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And he knew he had a gun in the dark in the rain, how? Hyperbole much?

Quit pretending like you know that Trayvon had no idea. He might have, he might not have. But if the guy was coming at him with the gun pointed, it would be very easy to tell. Regardless of the gun, if someone came at you while you were just standing around talking on the phone, and you fought back, that means that you deserve to be shot?

You're avoiding the point of the question. Do you think that it is right for someone to be able to go out and chase someone down, even if that person isn't on their property, with a gun, then shoot that person if that person gets scared and fights back?
 
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I hadn’t heard the burglary tools,

The burglary tools was a single flathead screw driver.
 
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The speculation involved in this is beyond unreasonable. You need to take a break from this joko. A screwdriver is hardly damning evidence of a "burglary tool" and a bad with traces of marijuana is hardly evidence of drug dealing. You are stretching this way to far.

I mean, it's clear that Martin isn't an innocent as he was originally portrayed just like Zimmerman isn't as innocent as his lawyer, family and friends are portraying him, but damn dude, you are jumping to conclusions that don't make a shred of sense.

What we have here is character assassination which is what lawyers do when they are making a case. The character assassination started with the mobs of people protesting about Zimmerman not being arrested (A legitimate complaint) and then trying to turn this into a strictly racial issue. Now Zimmerman's side is making their case. Too bad it all has to happen in the media.
 
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Ive said from the beginning...none of the peripheral stuff MATTERS. You want to drag what Martin may or may not have been accused of? Great...how does Zimmerman fare when you drag in HIS past? All that matters is the night of the kids death. Did the police find burglary tools on him? We would have heard of that...right? The simple fact is that Zimmerman armed himself, went out to play Superneighborhoodwatchman, called the police because apparently a guy with iced tea, skittles, and a hoodie is 'suspicious' stalked the kid even after being told by police dispatch not to, is heard making racially charged comments....then when the tables were turned on him, shot the kid claiming self defense. Had Zimmerman not armed himself...had he not followed the kid in his car, had he not followed him on foot even after being told not to, he wouldnt be getting his ass beat and the kid wouldnt be dead. You are placing the responsibility for the exchange on a 17 year old being chased by an unknown civilian stranger that followed him by vehicle and on foot...and you want to pretend if YOU were being stalked by someone in a vehicle and then on foot YOU wouldnt have been armed up or driven to defend YOURSELF.

A voice expert has already debunked the racially charged slurs. Had Martin not walked through the neighborhood.....blah blah blah. Z didn't stalk anyone; stalking presumes you know the person, and have evil intentions. None of that has been alleged (except by you) or proven.
 
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Quit pretending like you know that Trayvon had no idea. He might have, he might not have. But if the guy was coming at him with the gun pointed, it would be very easy to tell. Regardless of the gun, if someone came at you while you were just standing around talking on the phone, and you fought back, that means that you deserve to be shot?

You're avoiding the point of the question. Do you think that it is right for someone to be able to go out and chase someone down, even if that person isn't on their property, with a gun, then shoot that person if that person gets scared and fights back?
Only an idiot would walk up to an armed man to start a fight; you saying Martin was an idiot?
 
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Only an idiot would walk up to an armed man to start a fight; you saying Martin was an idiot?

Once again, not answering my question.

1. What if, like you said, he didn't see the gun, he just saw this guy coming at him? Would it be fair to shoot him just for defending himself?

What if he thought he could get the gun away from the guy? That means he should be dead?

You're avoiding the questions because you know you're wrong and apparently you're just a bit too cowardly to answer a simple question. I think that about sums it up...
 
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Unless I missed it, the eyewitness accounts* only saw the last half of the altercation. Nobody witnessed the beginning. It is possible that Zimmerman was getting his ass beat AFTER he first instigated the whole affair. It is possible that Martin was indeed defending himself and was the stronger person... and that's when others took notice.

*- Eyewitness testimony plays a major role in a staggering percentage of wrongful convictions in murder cases, something like 75% according to the Innocence Project, so I would be careful to get too excited over these. Be careful that you're not just mindlessly parroting what you want to hear.
 
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That was more deliberate false information to support the claim he was a perfect behavior African-American child walking home from a candy store.
That is one of way seeing it I s'pose.

Trayvon Martin was on suspension for school for possessing burglary tools and a bagging with traces of marijuana. The latter suggests drug dealing.
No, it doesn't. AFAICT, to suggest dealing, you need a sufficient quantity of w/e drug beyond personal use, and/or to have multiple containers of teh same drugs [portioned for distribution]. An empty baggie does NOT suggest dealing. At least not to my common sense.
Maybe someone experienced in that world can shed light on how an empty baggie means that you're dealing. But I don't see it.

But don't let my failure to suspend disbelief ruining your story-telling party here.

In his 911 call, Zimmerman told the police that Martin was acting suspiciously, then that Martin was approaching him - Martin putting his hand in his waistband and then in his pocket. He told the police it was clear by Martin's behavior that he was on drugs.
I don't hear the bit about M's pocket.
What's the time stamp on that?
http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/911/call1.wav

However, when Martin saw Zimmerman on the phone, he turned and ran. Why?
Because Z had been acting suspiciously and M feared for his safety. Just guessing here.

It is not an unreasonable conclusion he ran because he had dope on him.
It's not supported by any evidence.
Merely not being unreasonable isn't very much to go on. It's actually a very weak reason to believe something.
But it's a necessary building block for your imaginary scenario, so let's run with this unsupported premise for a moment.

No one carries dope unless they use dope. Since there is no way to smoke dope in school due to odors, it likely the reason the bag only had residuals was because he was dealing it in school. May have been dealing the night Zimmerman saw him and/or out of the house getting stoned. A person who as illegal drugs uses illegal drugs.
He might have been a myriad of things. But given the lack of evidence of M doing those myriad of other things, we may be better served by hewing a little closer to the facts. ymmv

Likely dope dealing at school and in the neighborhood?
LOL ****ing L again.
Where did we go from it's a possibility to it's a probability? It strains the bounds of common sense and credulity for it to be probable that a kid is in a strange neighborhood, in a gated community no less, standing around outside selling dope.
Maybe someone who knows more about that sort of black market activity can tell us with more authority.

Hiding something in his pocket seeing someone calling the police and running?
HOw was it that M came to know that Z was on the phone to the PD?
Is this information publicly available? Or does it reside solely in your imagination?

It appears highly possible that Martin was a doped-up burglar and drug dealer casing and working the neigbhorhood when Zimmerman gave a damn and called 911 for police to come check him out.
Quite a number of things are possible. But there's not really enough evidence for us to say that you interesting tale is probable.
There's quite a bit of un-supported and un-adulterated speculation in your tale.

Zimmerman "following" him appears to see where he went or where he dumped drugs he was likely carrying (and using and maybe dealing) for when police arrived.
Total fabrication on your part, fyi. I am not sure if that needs to be pointed out or not.


Have you thought about going into creative writing? You seem to have a knack for inventing tales.
 
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I think we should wait for all the facts to come out before we all rush to judgement; because new facts are going to come out everyday that will slightly change the story each time, so right now there is really no point in speculating about what really happened.
 
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[...] Instead, it looks like George Zimmerman had hit the nail on the head in his evaluation of Martin.
:lamo

Trayvon Martin was on suspension for school for possessing burglary tools and a bagging with traces of marijuana. The latter suggests drug dealing.
:lamo

In his 911 call, Zimmerman told the police [...] it was clear by Martin's behavior that he was on drugs.
:lamo

[...] It is not an unreasonable conclusion he ran because he had dope on him.
:lamo . . . it's also not an unreasonable conclusion that he ran because some white redneck cracker, almost twice his size and almost twice his age, was following him.

[...]It appears highly possible that Martin was a doped-up burglar and drug dealer casing and working the neigbhorhood [...]
The only question about this thread is whether it should have been started in the Comedy forum or the Racist forum. What is not in question is the sadness of trying to justify, after the fact, the needless murder of a young black man whose initial offense was walking in a white neighborhood while black.
 
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The search features do not allow search individual posts, only threads. I have no interest in scrolling through 500 threads.
The search function works just fine for me.
:shrug:

It is not the baggie that suggests dealing, it is that the baggie was empty. Where did it go?
Who knows, but it doesn't suggest dealing. People don't get charged with distribution over a stinky baggie. People get charged with distribution because they have a LOT of w/e drug, or because they're caught, you know, distributing.

joko, you're no Columbo
 
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A voice expert has already debunked the racially charged slurs. Had Martin not walked through the neighborhood.....blah blah blah. Z didn't stalk anyone; stalking presumes you know the person, and have evil intentions. None of that has been alleged (except by you) or proven.
None of ANYTHING has been 'proven'. As for the voice 'expert'...which was it...****ing coons? ****ing 'goons' (as his lawyer said...a term of endearment)? 'They' always get away? Zimmerman was the aggressor throughout the event. Martin was a 17 year old kid being stalked...pursued...followed...in car and by foot, by a total stranger for no reason. Zimmerman created the environment and when the tables were turned on him he gets to claim 'self defense'. Anywhere along the chain of events he had the ability to break that chain. he didnt and a kid ended up dying. I have said from the outset...NOT murder...but negligent? hell yes.
 
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A curious claim. That every major print and media network are all now engaged in a conspiracy to falsely slander and liable Martin. Your's is the claim of conspiracy.
No, it seems to be pretty much you doing it.
You're inventing things out of whole cloth.
The media don't seem to be doing what you're doing.

imho
ymmv
 
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I think we should wait for all the facts to come out before we all rush to judgement; because new facts are going to come out everyday that will slightly change the story each time, so right now there is really no point in speculating what really happened.

That's been my who belief on the story since the beginning. We don't know what the full story is...we don't know what happened and what led to the shooting. A guy that ran out to confront a kid walking down the street that ended up with the kid dead does raise some eyebrows and should be investigated more thoroughly.
 
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One thing for sure, this Trayvon kid wasn't quite the innocent he was first portrayed as. I am still holding my fire on this subject, theres alot of facts yet to come out.
 
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I don't understand why some people are trying so desperately to make this justifiable. The bottom line is that this guy called 911 and was instructed to leave the kid alone. He went against that and killed an unarmed man in cold blood. No so-called burglary tools or trace amounts of marijuana justifies killing an unarmed person. The kid was trying to get away from him and according to one eyewitness was yelling for help. It is what it is and Zimmerman should face the consequences of his actions.
 
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