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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No. He was not:

    Multiple suspensions paint complicated portrait of Trayvon Martin - Florida - MiamiHerald.com



    How do you expect to be taken seriously if you cite rags which can't even get the article they cite right? Trayvon WAS NOT suspended because of "tools" - i.e. a screwdriver - he was suspended for GRAFFITI. This isn't a lie - it's what the article the Daily Mail references actually says.

    Here is what the article the Daily Mail sources then states:



    Please stop being so blatantly dishonest?



    Hahaha. You're so ridiculous it's funny. No way to smoke dope? You mean weed? Because of odors? I guess you expect us to believe kids nowadays haven't heard of body spray? Good luck smelling weed through one spray of any local 3 dollar deodorant.
    Want to know the irony of this thread? The very same people who are whining about Zimmerman being persecuted in the media without a fair trial are the very same people who are just making **** up about Martin that doesn't even exist, in order to destroy his reputation. Doesn't matter that Martin was being stalked by Zimmerman. Zimmerman shouldn't be convicted without a trial, but Martin should, and on **** that doesn't exist too.

    Hyporcrite much, Zimmerman supporters? LOL.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Exactly, Simon. Sam, please cite your assertion that witnesses saw Martin accost Zimmerman as he was walking back to his car.

    If there's evidence like that out there, it's game-set-match and Zimmerman's off the hook.

    But I don't believe you.

    I don't think there's much doubt or disagreement that, if Zimmerman had only stayed in his car, none of this would have happened. But it is not against the law to get out of one's car. If there is nothing to contradict Zimmerman's statement that Martin attacked him from behind, the state should not be prosecuting him for any degree of manslaughter or murder. Our court system doesn't roll that way.

    As to everyone besmirching Martin, he was a 17-year-old kid. Seventeen-year-olds do ****. Trying to portray him as some kind of criminal is just wrong. There is absolutely no-nada-zero evidence that he was some hard-core criminal. Those hard-cores people are trying to compare him to? They've got rap sheets by age 17, and ya'll know it. And he'd have been packing a gun.

    This is a tragedy. Zimmerman made a horrible mistake. A young man is dead. It points to the need for a whole new look at Neighborhood Watch programs. Was it murder? Only Zimmerman knows for sure. It points to the possible need for a law that says you cannot do anything more than call 911 when you see something you deem suspicious...the need for registering these groups...getting volunteers to sign agreements (which become contracts) as to what conduct is allowed and what isn't.

    Gads. I can take either side of this so easily it's rather disconcerting.


    With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the neighborhood watch volunteer who eventually shot to death the unarmed 17-year-old, then climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk several times, leaving him bloody and battered, authorities told The Orlando Sentinel.

    That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been corroborated by witnesses, authorities said.

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    Police have been reluctant to provide details about their evidence.

    But after the Sentinel story appeared online Monday morning, City Manager Norton Bonaparte Jr. issued a news release, saying there would be an internal-affairs investigation into the source of the leak and, if identified, the person or people involved would be disciplined.

    He did not challenge the accuracy of the information.

    At a Monday news conference, Trayvon's mother, father and their lawyers called the report that their son was suspended from school because of a marijuana baggie irrelevant and needlessly hurtful.
    Note that they are starting an IA investigation and didn't challenge the story. That's confirmation of the evidence the police have gathered, and also note that they way witnesses, not witness.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    In other words, he was told not to pet the animal, and he did it anyway. It sounds like Trayvon was the kind of kid that was headed down this path sooner or later.
    Whether he was or not doesn't matter. History unwritten is unwritten. What we do know is that Zimmerman sought out confrontation, ignored the warning to back off. This gives him a certain level of responsibility even if he was attacked.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    This entire story is completely irrelevant to the events that unfolded. This is a right wing smear campaign aimed at a victim of a murder.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    In light of this evidence, I've changed my position.

    Obviously, Trayvon Martin deserved he Death Penalty, and it was clearly up to George Zimmerman to take it upon himself to be police, prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner.

    I mean, if a New Black Panther leader is involved in drugs, clearly this means that Trayvon Martin needed to die...


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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    This entire story is completely irrelevant to the events that unfolded. This is a right wing smear campaign aimed at a victim of a murder.
    It is relevent in that it shows the true character of Martin. He was not the sweet innocent child the media would have you believe. And, just maybe, he was the kind of guy who would react violently (aka punching in the nose etc) when confronted and asked a simple question. Let ALL the facts come out and if they show that Zimmerman committed murder then lock him away for life. Until then call off the death threats and bounty hunters.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63
    It is relevent in that it shows the true character of Martin. He was not the sweet innocent child the media would have you believe.
    Even if Trayvon Martin did marijuana, even if he dealt drugs, it isn't relevant to the fact that he is a murder victim.

    Let ALL the facts come out and if they show that Zimmerman committed murder then lock him away for life.
    Oh shut up, your faux impartiality is a joke when all you do is attack the character of a teenage murder victim.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin school suspension linked to pot(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It was posted many times on this forum that Trayvon Martin had only been suspended for "tardiness." That was more deliberate false information to support the claim he was a perfect behavior African-American child walking home from a candy store.

    Instead, it looks like George Zimmerman had hit the nail on the head in his evaluation of Martin.

    Trayvon Martin was on suspension for school for possessing burglary tools and a bagging with traces of marijuana. The latter suggests drug dealing.

    In his 911 call, Zimmerman told the police that Martin was acting suspiciously, then that Martin was approaching him - Martin putting his hand in his waistband and then in his pocket. He told the police it was clear by Martin's behavior that he was on drugs.

    However, when Martin saw Zimmerman on the phone, he turned and ran. Why? It is not an unreasonable conclusion he ran because he had dope on him. Then seeing Zimmerman off the phone and Martin either not wanting Zimmerman to see his hiding his dope or seeing what house he went to unless the police then searched it, he attacked Zimmerman coming to use deadly force beating Zimmerman's head into the concrete as Zimmerman shouted for help.

    No one carries dope unless they use dope. Since there is no way to smoke dope in school due to odors, it likely the reason the bag only had residuals was because he was dealing it in school. May have been dealing the night Zimmerman saw him and/or out of the house getting stoned. A person who as illegal drugs uses illegal drugs.

    Oh, he also was suspended for vandalizing school property spraying "WTF" on a locker(s).

    Burglary tools? Dope? Likely dope dealing at school and in the neighborhood? Caught with a burglary tool and women's jewelry? Hiding something in his pocket seeing someone calling the police and running? Property destruction and vandalism?
    Slamming Zimmerman's head into the concrete as Zimmerman screamed pleading someone to help him - and Zimmerman just continuing his deadly-force assault likely doped up at the time?


    This contradicts the incessant portrayal innocent perfect behavior little Trayvon Martin just walking straight home from the C-store with candy. And it would appear that Zimmerman's observation of Martin to 911 was dead-on accurate.

    It appears highly possible that Martin was a doped-up burglar and drug dealer casing and working the neigbhorhood when Zimmerman gave a damn and called 911 for police to come check him out. Zimmerman "following" him appears to see where he went or where he dumped drugs he was likely carrying (and using and maybe dealing) for when police arrived.

    Trayvon Martin school suspension linked to pot - US news - Life - msnbc.com

    Trayvon Martin case: He was suspended from school for having a 'burglary tool' | Mail Online
    This has already been proven false in this thread, but let's just say he did deal dope and had burglary tools, does that in any way, shape, or form, change the fact that Zimmermans stalked him unjustly and ended up killing him?
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    This is a tragedy. Zimmerman made a horrible mistake. A young man is dead. It points to the need for a whole new look at Neighborhood Watch programs. Was it murder? Only Zimmerman knows for sure. It points to the possible need for a law that says you cannot do anything more than call 911 when you see something you deem suspicious...the need for registering these groups...getting volunteers to sign agreements (which become contracts) as to what conduct is allowed and what isn't.

    Gads. I can take either side of this so easily it's rather disconcerting.
    There is a danger in just allowing armed citizens to play vigilante. A Neighborhood Watch is supposed to be watching and calling the cops. Then you let an actual LEO, who is trained in handling these situations, deal with it. If Zimmerman can do whatever he wants because it's "not illegal to get out of your car" why can't I round up some friends and some guns and ride around some crime ridden areas knocking off anyone that we think is a "gangsta?"

    Armed gangs playing "cops and robbers" is not what I would call a recipe for law and order.


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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We know he followed and got out of the car. We know dispatch told him not to.
    No, Dispatch did not ORDER him not to. It was a suggestion, not an order, therefore what Zimmerman did was LEGAL up until right after he got out of the car. From there, as I've said many times, we don't know for sure all the facts.

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