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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by fyrenza View Post
    You're calling others "blatantly dishonest" in their posts

    when you cite the Miami Herald and some UK rag???

    Seriously?
    Bwahaha...now the Miami Herald isn't reputable?
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    That was more deliberate false information to support the claim he was a perfect behavior African-American child walking home from a candy store.
    That is one of way seeing it I s'pose.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Trayvon Martin was on suspension for school for possessing burglary tools and a bagging with traces of marijuana. The latter suggests drug dealing.
    No, it doesn't. AFAICT, to suggest dealing, you need a sufficient quantity of w/e drug beyond personal use, and/or to have multiple containers of teh same drugs [portioned for distribution]. An empty baggie does NOT suggest dealing. At least not to my common sense.
    Maybe someone experienced in that world can shed light on how an empty baggie means that you're dealing. But I don't see it.

    But don't let my failure to suspend disbelief ruining your story-telling party here.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    In his 911 call, Zimmerman told the police that Martin was acting suspiciously, then that Martin was approaching him - Martin putting his hand in his waistband and then in his pocket. He told the police it was clear by Martin's behavior that he was on drugs.
    I don't hear the bit about M's pocket.
    What's the time stamp on that?
    http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/911/call1.wav

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    However, when Martin saw Zimmerman on the phone, he turned and ran. Why?
    Because Z had been acting suspiciously and M feared for his safety. Just guessing here.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It is not an unreasonable conclusion he ran because he had dope on him.
    It's not supported by any evidence.
    Merely not being unreasonable isn't very much to go on. It's actually a very weak reason to believe something.
    But it's a necessary building block for your imaginary scenario, so let's run with this unsupported premise for a moment.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    No one carries dope unless they use dope. Since there is no way to smoke dope in school due to odors, it likely the reason the bag only had residuals was because he was dealing it in school. May have been dealing the night Zimmerman saw him and/or out of the house getting stoned. A person who as illegal drugs uses illegal drugs.
    He might have been a myriad of things. But given the lack of evidence of M doing those myriad of other things, we may be better served by hewing a little closer to the facts. ymmv

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Likely dope dealing at school and in the neighborhood?
    LOL ****ing L again.
    Where did we go from it's a possibility to it's a probability? It strains the bounds of common sense and credulity for it to be probable that a kid is in a strange neighborhood, in a gated community no less, standing around outside selling dope.
    Maybe someone who knows more about that sort of black market activity can tell us with more authority.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Hiding something in his pocket seeing someone calling the police and running?
    HOw was it that M came to know that Z was on the phone to the PD?
    Is this information publicly available? Or does it reside solely in your imagination?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It appears highly possible that Martin was a doped-up burglar and drug dealer casing and working the neigbhorhood when Zimmerman gave a damn and called 911 for police to come check him out.
    Quite a number of things are possible. But there's not really enough evidence for us to say that you interesting tale is probable.
    There's quite a bit of un-supported and un-adulterated speculation in your tale.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Zimmerman "following" him appears to see where he went or where he dumped drugs he was likely carrying (and using and maybe dealing) for when police arrived.
    Total fabrication on your part, fyi. I am not sure if that needs to be pointed out or not.


    Have you thought about going into creative writing? You seem to have a knack for inventing tales.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    I think we should wait for all the facts to come out before we all rush to judgement; because new facts are going to come out everyday that will slightly change the story each time, so right now there is really no point in speculating about what really happened.
    Last edited by partier9; 03-27-12 at 10:17 AM.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    [...] Instead, it looks like George Zimmerman had hit the nail on the head in his evaluation of Martin.


    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Trayvon Martin was on suspension for school for possessing burglary tools and a bagging with traces of marijuana. The latter suggests drug dealing.


    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    In his 911 call, Zimmerman told the police [...] it was clear by Martin's behavior that he was on drugs.


    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    [...] It is not an unreasonable conclusion he ran because he had dope on him.
    . . . it's also not an unreasonable conclusion that he ran because some white redneck cracker, almost twice his size and almost twice his age, was following him.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    [...]It appears highly possible that Martin was a doped-up burglar and drug dealer casing and working the neigbhorhood [...]
    The only question about this thread is whether it should have been started in the Comedy forum or the Racist forum. What is not in question is the sadness of trying to justify, after the fact, the needless murder of a young black man whose initial offense was walking in a white neighborhood while black.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The search features do not allow search individual posts, only threads. I have no interest in scrolling through 500 threads.
    The search function works just fine for me.


    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It is not the baggie that suggests dealing, it is that the baggie was empty. Where did it go?
    Who knows, but it doesn't suggest dealing. People don't get charged with distribution over a stinky baggie. People get charged with distribution because they have a LOT of w/e drug, or because they're caught, you know, distributing.

    joko, you're no Columbo
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    A voice expert has already debunked the racially charged slurs. Had Martin not walked through the neighborhood.....blah blah blah. Z didn't stalk anyone; stalking presumes you know the person, and have evil intentions. None of that has been alleged (except by you) or proven.
    None of ANYTHING has been 'proven'. As for the voice 'expert'...which was it...****ing coons? ****ing 'goons' (as his lawyer said...a term of endearment)? 'They' always get away? Zimmerman was the aggressor throughout the event. Martin was a 17 year old kid being stalked...pursued...followed...in car and by foot, by a total stranger for no reason. Zimmerman created the environment and when the tables were turned on him he gets to claim 'self defense'. Anywhere along the chain of events he had the ability to break that chain. he didnt and a kid ended up dying. I have said from the outset...NOT murder...but negligent? hell yes.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    A curious claim. That every major print and media network are all now engaged in a conspiracy to falsely slander and liable Martin. Your's is the claim of conspiracy.
    No, it seems to be pretty much you doing it.
    You're inventing things out of whole cloth.
    The media don't seem to be doing what you're doing.

    imho
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by partier9 View Post
    I think we should wait for all the facts to come out before we all rush to judgement; because new facts are going to come out everyday that will slightly change the story each time, so right now there is really no point in speculating what really happened.
    That's been my who belief on the story since the beginning. We don't know what the full story is...we don't know what happened and what led to the shooting. A guy that ran out to confront a kid walking down the street that ended up with the kid dead does raise some eyebrows and should be investigated more thoroughly.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    One thing for sure, this Trayvon kid wasn't quite the innocent he was first portrayed as. I am still holding my fire on this subject, theres alot of facts yet to come out.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    I don't understand why some people are trying so desperately to make this justifiable. The bottom line is that this guy called 911 and was instructed to leave the kid alone. He went against that and killed an unarmed man in cold blood. No so-called burglary tools or trace amounts of marijuana justifies killing an unarmed person. The kid was trying to get away from him and according to one eyewitness was yelling for help. It is what it is and Zimmerman should face the consequences of his actions.

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