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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    If some guy with a gun started chasing you down, and you started to fight with him, would you deserve to be shot?


    People, come on... does possession of weed and getting caught spraypainting a locker really deserve the death penalty?

    The whole point of this is that no one has the right to chase down and kill everyone that looks suspicious. That Trayvon might have fought back means nothing. I would fight back too if I was just standing there and some douche started pointing a gun at me.
    And he knew he had a gun in the dark in the rain, how? Hyperbole much?
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    He may have been on suspension for that, but it doesn't mean that he did anything here. I hadnít heard the burglary tools, but I heard about a baggie with marijuana residue on it. He didnít even really get caught with drugs, just the remnants of them. I donít know, it all seems more to influence public opinion rather than some attempt to actually find the truth to this story.

    If he was shot unlawfully; then the guilty party must stand trial. Thatís all there is to it. We are all allowed to exercise our rights which includes carrying firearms; but that is not license to kill. If he was protecting himself, thatís one case. But it really doesnít seem as if there had been enough investigation for that conclusion to be properly reached. This has to be investigated thoroughly and competently, thatís it.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Ive said from the beginning...none of the peripheral stuff MATTERS. You want to drag what Martin may or may not have been accused of? Great...how does Zimmerman fare when you drag in HIS past? All that matters is the night of the kids death. Did the police find burglary tools on him? We would have heard of that...right? The simple fact is that Zimmerman armed himself, went out to play Superneighborhoodwatchman, called the police because apparently a guy with iced tea, skittles, and a hoodie is 'suspicious' stalked the kid even after being told by police dispatch not to, is heard making racially charged comments....then when the tables were turned on him, shot the kid claiming self defense. Had Zimmerman not armed himself...had he not followed the kid in his car, had he not followed him on foot even after being told not to, he wouldnt be getting his ass beat and the kid wouldnt be dead. You are placing the responsibility for the exchange on a 17 year old being chased by an unknown civilian stranger that followed him by vehicle and on foot...and you want to pretend if YOU were being stalked by someone in a vehicle and then on foot YOU wouldnt have been armed up or driven to defend YOURSELF.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    And he knew he had a gun in the dark in the rain, how? Hyperbole much?
    Quit pretending like you know that Trayvon had no idea. He might have, he might not have. But if the guy was coming at him with the gun pointed, it would be very easy to tell. Regardless of the gun, if someone came at you while you were just standing around talking on the phone, and you fought back, that means that you deserve to be shot?

    You're avoiding the point of the question. Do you think that it is right for someone to be able to go out and chase someone down, even if that person isn't on their property, with a gun, then shoot that person if that person gets scared and fights back?
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I hadn’t heard the burglary tools,
    The burglary tools was a single flathead screw driver.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    The speculation involved in this is beyond unreasonable. You need to take a break from this joko. A screwdriver is hardly damning evidence of a "burglary tool" and a bad with traces of marijuana is hardly evidence of drug dealing. You are stretching this way to far.

    I mean, it's clear that Martin isn't an innocent as he was originally portrayed just like Zimmerman isn't as innocent as his lawyer, family and friends are portraying him, but damn dude, you are jumping to conclusions that don't make a shred of sense.
    What we have here is character assassination which is what lawyers do when they are making a case. The character assassination started with the mobs of people protesting about Zimmerman not being arrested (A legitimate complaint) and then trying to turn this into a strictly racial issue. Now Zimmerman's side is making their case. Too bad it all has to happen in the media.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Ive said from the beginning...none of the peripheral stuff MATTERS. You want to drag what Martin may or may not have been accused of? Great...how does Zimmerman fare when you drag in HIS past? All that matters is the night of the kids death. Did the police find burglary tools on him? We would have heard of that...right? The simple fact is that Zimmerman armed himself, went out to play Superneighborhoodwatchman, called the police because apparently a guy with iced tea, skittles, and a hoodie is 'suspicious' stalked the kid even after being told by police dispatch not to, is heard making racially charged comments....then when the tables were turned on him, shot the kid claiming self defense. Had Zimmerman not armed himself...had he not followed the kid in his car, had he not followed him on foot even after being told not to, he wouldnt be getting his ass beat and the kid wouldnt be dead. You are placing the responsibility for the exchange on a 17 year old being chased by an unknown civilian stranger that followed him by vehicle and on foot...and you want to pretend if YOU were being stalked by someone in a vehicle and then on foot YOU wouldnt have been armed up or driven to defend YOURSELF.
    A voice expert has already debunked the racially charged slurs. Had Martin not walked through the neighborhood.....blah blah blah. Z didn't stalk anyone; stalking presumes you know the person, and have evil intentions. None of that has been alleged (except by you) or proven.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Quit pretending like you know that Trayvon had no idea. He might have, he might not have. But if the guy was coming at him with the gun pointed, it would be very easy to tell. Regardless of the gun, if someone came at you while you were just standing around talking on the phone, and you fought back, that means that you deserve to be shot?

    You're avoiding the point of the question. Do you think that it is right for someone to be able to go out and chase someone down, even if that person isn't on their property, with a gun, then shoot that person if that person gets scared and fights back?
    Only an idiot would walk up to an armed man to start a fight; you saying Martin was an idiot?
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Only an idiot would walk up to an armed man to start a fight; you saying Martin was an idiot?
    Once again, not answering my question.

    1. What if, like you said, he didn't see the gun, he just saw this guy coming at him? Would it be fair to shoot him just for defending himself?

    What if he thought he could get the gun away from the guy? That means he should be dead?

    You're avoiding the questions because you know you're wrong and apparently you're just a bit too cowardly to answer a simple question. I think that about sums it up...
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Unless I missed it, the eyewitness accounts* only saw the last half of the altercation. Nobody witnessed the beginning. It is possible that Zimmerman was getting his ass beat AFTER he first instigated the whole affair. It is possible that Martin was indeed defending himself and was the stronger person... and that's when others took notice.

    *- Eyewitness testimony plays a major role in a staggering percentage of wrongful convictions in murder cases, something like 75% according to the Innocence Project, so I would be careful to get too excited over these. Be careful that you're not just mindlessly parroting what you want to hear.

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