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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    that won't stop hatuey from continuing his lies and omissions. he already knew all this in fact, but still presented the evidence anyway
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    Re: Trayvon Martin school suspension linked to pot(edited)

    From a different direction... while this may or may not help Obama and Democrats politically in terms of African-American voter turn-out, I think this overall hurts the ongoing civil rights movement for African-Americans.

    Zimmerman isn't white, so that didn't pan out. But more as the actual facts unfold, this is not some great injustice to protest over. A 6' 3" tall 17 year old with less than a stellar record beating a Latino crimewatch captain's head into the concrete infuriated at him for calling 911 on him and watching where he went - for which the Latino fired a single shot killing the assailant.

    WHY PICK THAT ONE? Then the "million hoodie" protest goal?

    How much can the trivialize the civil rights movement? Is THIS what the cause of African-Americans is? Protesting for the right to beat to death anyone who calls the police or annoys them? I don't think this pans out well in the long run.

    Once it came out that:
    1. Zimmerman isn't white, has African-American relatives and friends - and his African-American friends are loudly praising Zimmerman as a decent and not racist guy,
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    2. The extreme injustice against how Zimmerman is being treated - death threats against him and his family, Black Panthers putting out essentially a death bounty for him - though Zimmerman not charged with anything,
    3. that witnesses, including African-American, all claim Zimmerman was on the ground screaming for help - and physical injury confirming Martin was pounding his head against the concrete sidewalk ...

    can end up coming across and protesting on behalf of violent crimes and assaults.

    That is NOT what Martin Luther King Jr called for, is it? The right to violently assault people of another race that you think are non-violently harassing you.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Mostly I agree with you. But I'm not sure if he was white and wearing a hoodie that this would have ended the same. I do think our perceptions are often based on stereotypes and those can and often do have a bit of race in them.
    I've been active in these threads.

    I think race may be a "descriptor" in this case more than an "element".

    I have seen several references to a string of recent burglaries in the complex involving "black males".

    From what I've seen, like a burglary "ring" made up of black males.

    Can't remember which thread, but the sources seemed good.

    So I think it may very well be a case where "black" is an "identifying" characteristic in an ongoing burglary issue rather than an indicator of "racial profiling".
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    What's provable in court is what will ultimately matter.
    Maybe. Depends on what you mean by matter. If we're lucky, he's learned something and I would argue that matters. And if as a people we learn how easy it is to get caught up in the moment and kill, that would matter as well. Someone who once shot someone said to me long ago, shooting someone is easy. Living with the consequences is the hard part.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Maybe to put this in another context would be helpful.

    Person A is doing 70 in a 25 zone.

    He runs a stop sign and t-bones a car that ALSO ran the stop sign but was travelling 25 mph.

    Driver B dies.

    BOTH ran the stop sign, but driver A was speeding.

    Responsibility is APPORTIONED in such cases isn't it?

    And would make driver A MORE responsible. Right?
    I would not argue one action is always exactly equal to another as they rarely are. But just as in your case, both have a responsibility to what happened. Either could have acted appropriately and avoided the situation. Now I think a case can be made both ways in the Zimmerman / Trayvon case. And where I would side would largely depend on unknown factors at this point. how far did Zimmerman take his following and what led up to the physical confrontation. At this point I can only say with any semblance of certainty that Zimmerman likely shares responsibility.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin school suspension linked to pot(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Protesting for the right to beat to death anyone who calls the police or annoys them? I don't think this pans out well in the long run.
    I might be really wrong here, but my impression is that protest is about the perception that the SPD didn't do their due diligence investigating this crime because the dead guy was a black kid.

    If you can't trust the police, civil society breaks down. So if I am correct, it's about a major issue.

    All of that is aside from whether or not the perception is accurate.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Evidence that some other guy in Atlanta is a criminal =/= Martin was a criminal and Zimmerman was justified.
    My point was the panthers are offering a cash reward for Zimmerman, nevermind mr myopic LOL

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    Re: Trayvon Martin school suspension linked to pot(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I might be really wrong here, but my impression is that protest is about the perception that the SPD didn't do their due diligence investigating this crime because the dead guy was a black kid.

    If you can't trust the police, civil society breaks down. So if I am correct, it's about a major issue.

    All of that is aside from whether or not the perception is accurate.
    According to latest reports, the police wanted to arrest zimmerman but the prosecutors said no because there was not enough evidence to get a conviction, in their opinion. The police did their job
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Where did you get Zimmerman beating a cop?....
    its called the news, and FACTS.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    its called the news, and FACTS.
    That wasn't a beating. Unless you really think that pushing a cop while drunk = a beating.

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