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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Anyone recognize this black teen? He killed an old white guy in Spokane Washington. Treven Lewis is his very similar name, where's the outrage?

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    Is this like one of those "Darth Vader is riding a unicycle. Your argument is invalid," thingies?

    Cause it seems like you're trying to compare apples and bananas and asking why we don't peel each fruit the same way. imho
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    Re: Trayvon Martin school suspension linked to pot(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Incorrect ... George (through his legal defense) will now have to provide some evidence.
    No, he does not have to. 5th amendment.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Explain what illegal act was done.
    It doesn't have to be illegal to be significant act.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Is there an official neighborhood watch program in that neighborhood? Is Zimmerman a member. What the NW guy didn't say is that you also shouldn't be patrolling alone. So from what I've read, Zimmerman isn't in a NW program, so what NW says is irrelevant. It's not even legally binding.
    not sure why everyone keeps saying legally binding and not reading where I say that isn't part of my argument, but OK. Still, whether official or not, the rules speak to judgment, which is what I'm questioning.

    But for the record; . . . in establishing a local Neighborhood Watch group last year, appointed him the captain.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    and Zimmerman beating a cop, beating an ex-girlfriend, and having a restraining order placed upon him, lends to HIS credibility.

    along with calling Martin an "asshole" and a "****ing punk" on the 911 call.
    i saw your post and sought something to confirm your presentations
    would you please point to a cite which tells us that zimmerman was convicted of assaulting a police officer, and twice convicted for assault on his girl friend
    for extra credit, show us where a restraining order was actually issued rather than requested (which zimmerman also requested against his girl friend)
    i know you are aware that an arrest is not meaningful for legal purposes but a conviction would meet the burden of proof to make such statements; so please help me find something on the internet which will prove zimmerman was convicted of those actions you have alleged
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    Re: Trayvon Martin school suspension linked to pot(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Incorrect ... George (through his legal defense) will now have to provide some evidence.
    He doesn't have to even put on a defense. I don't think you have a clear understanding of "innocent until proven guilty." He walks into court an innocent man. The state must prove his guilt. If, after the state puts on its case, the defense has confidence that the state hasn't proven it's case? The defense can ask for dismissal. Without Zimmerman saying a word.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The girlfriend's recount of her call with Martin is that it was Martin who confronted Zimmerman.
    This is only true if you take the meaning of confront to mean "speak first."
    The girl's account has M surprised to be found by Z, iirc.
    So if we take "confront" to mean speak first, instead of something involving "approach" or "accost" then your assertion is technically correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    ... if that person runs after learning the police are being called ...
    I asked about this before. It's the pile of un-answered questions I have had for you. But I will ask again.
    When did M find out that Z was on the phone with the PD?
    Where did you find that information?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Personally, I think all neighborhood crime watch should be armed and trained accordingly.
    The armed trained professional who watch out for us are called police.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    not sure why everyone keeps saying legally binding and not reading where I say that isn't part of my argument, but OK. Still, whether official or not, the rules speak to judgment, which is what I'm questioning.

    But for the record; . . . in establishing a local Neighborhood Watch group last year, appointed him the captain.

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    He was out patrolling his neighborhood, the purpose of which we know. So if someone is acting suspiciously, it warrants further observation....which he did. He even called authorities to report the suspicion, which a wild-eyed self-appointed sheriff probably wouldn't have...."I'm going in alone".
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    If you approach someone, they also have the right to defend themselves.
    It takes more than an approach. There needs to be a reasonable cause to fear imminent harm.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin school suspension linked to pot(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    This is all excellent information. Here's an example: How many women, waiting for the elevator, would not enter the elevator if one of those stereotypical types were in it alone? That would be me. And it should be every woman on planet earth. Most women would be to "embarrassed" to simply say, "I'll wait for the next one," or "Oops, never mind." I know it's a silly subjective example, but it's one that could save anyone's life.
    That is a perfect example. And a very real one.

    The best example for single women is in regards to date-rape. Put up with NO aggressiveness or pushiness (other than what might be obvious toyful playing by BOTH of you). I know a particularly gorgeous woman (no, she's not mine) has very strong feelings and reactions. But she also dated a lot men quickly for specific purpose and for many years waiting and searching for the right man to marry. She kept herself is great physical shape, but for beauty. Still that also was strength. She not only kept long nails, she literally filed them to be sharp.

    She took no chances nor wasted time and effort either. She explained if at a restaurant if she decided a man was rude or no longer of interest to her, she's excuse herself to go to the ladies room - and then straight out the back door thru the kitchen. If in a car, at a stop light she'd just get out and dash off, calling a taxi from somewhere else. If in his place, she had no hesitation to find excuse to get to one of the doors and leave without a word. Rude? Sure. Wise? Actually it is.

    If a guy became pushy or physical in a real way at his place, she explained she would divert, act seduced, find an excuse to get to a door, and then kiss the guy - kneeing him in the groin hard enough to lift him off the floor as she ran out the door. Excessive? Maybe. But it would work!

    One time (only) a man appeared clearly trying to assault (rape) her in increasing forcefulness. She diverted him enough to ram a handful of her sharp nails into his eyes - and away she ran.

    BUT she adopted these absolute safe-dating of strangers only AFTER she had been sexually assaulted. She took a NEVER AGAIN attitude. She recognized that by rapidly dating strangers in her deliberate search for the perfect Mr. Right and recognizing her great beauty, poise, seductiveness and all the desireability she had, - and just any woman going out with men just met - she had to set some absolute and hard self-safety rules.

    Ultimately, she found her man.

    On date rape, she said women don't "get ahead of the curve." Rather, the woman just resists in relation to the level of pressure at the time being put on her. If the man tries to lean her down in too forceful away, a woman will just push back and maybe say don't. Then he pushes harder. She shouts stop. Now it's a struggle, him on top and she's going to lose. That the woman just allows it to build from one step to the next, the man's negative emotions escalating along the way. Instead, in her opinion, if a man becomes forceful the woman should consider it a sexual assault and use ALL diversion, violent, any means to escape.

    To women on a date it usually would just mean getting away, out of the car, fleeing any way possible without giving a damn whether it is over-reacting or seemingly rude. If a woman says "no" and he keeps pressuring, she should consider and act as though it is a sexual assault, rather than just saying no more forcefully as it escalates. Her view is one commonly shared by prostitutes, barflies and other women who are with many men they don't really know. They will go into diversion, escape or violent resistance mode - whichever seems would work best - VERY quickly to get ahead of the evolution of she senses he is dangerous.

    Back to the topic, IF Zimmerman had - IF the truth (we won't know) was that Martin came angrily back at him after he was off the phone with 911 (this a second time Martin would have according to Z's 911 transcropt) had drew his 9mm and shouted "Stay back from me or a I WILL shoot!" I think it would have ended there and no one hurt, rather than rapidly evolving as it did. Sure, people would rage that he was a madman threatening a black teen with a gun claiming him a dangerous racist, but likely no one would have gotten hurt. (I know many disagree with my view of this.)
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