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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Note the position of Traybon's dead unarmed body?

    Maggie if a man is staddling you while you are face down and then the man stands up and puts his foot on you (weighing 230+) ... do you think he is standing on you? I do ... especially if he is almost twice my size and armed and has been following me.

    I am surprised there is no issue that George made no attempt to call an ambulance. If i freaked out shot an unarmed kid who was on my property (and that was not the case in this shooting) I would call an ambulance once he was down.

    She later reported when George stood up he kept his foot on Traybon and it is docutmented George NEVER called for medical aid.

    It is fact he began following Traybon and it is fact by George's own words that Traybon continued to run away.
    Dion, where is the link that says Zimmerman stood on Martin?

    As to Zimmerman never calling for medical aid, for God's sake, the police were there in just a couple minutes. He was a complete wreck. Ever have your adrenalin pumping so hard you think your heart's going to leap out of your chest? Unless you've been there, you just can't imagine the physical assault that adrenalin rush/ebb puts on your body. He wasn't even thinking -- if what he says is true.

    I really think you need more perspective. This isn't cut-and-dried either way. There's too many unknowns.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Dion, where is the link that says Zimmerman stood on Martin?

    As to Zimmerman never calling for medical aid, for God's sake, the police were there in just a couple minutes. He was a complete wreck. Ever have your adrenalin pumping so hard you think your heart's going to leap out of your chest? Unless you've been there, you just can't imagine the physical assault that adrenalin rush/ebb puts on your body. He wasn't even thinking -- if what he says is true.

    I really think you need more perspective. This isn't cut-and-dried either way. There's too many unknowns.
    This is known. Almost instantly after the shot, two women who had called 911 went out and over. They saw Zimmerman over Martin, one of them saying maybe he was trying to help Martin somehow. Then Martin told them "call 911." First and only words as Zimmerman continued to try to help Martin. I saw the video of them on TV, don't really want to take time to continually search for links to You Tube.

    Telling people "call 911" while possibly trying to save his own attacker's life (or just trying to save Martin's life deleting my view of it), was exactly the correct thing for Zimmerman to do.

    Not as much is still unknown as some people still think.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin school suspension linked to pot(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    This is all excellent information. Here's an example: How many women, waiting for the elevator, would not enter the elevator if one of those stereotypical types were in it alone? That would be me. And it should be every woman on planet earth. Most women would be to "embarrassed" to simply say, "I'll wait for the next one," or "Oops, never mind." I know it's a silly subjective example, but it's one that could save anyone's life.
    Smart women learn early on to gauge people and behaviors and situations that may not be safe and avoid them.

    In fact, while the police might and I say might have had some unchecked racism to not put this under immediate investigation ... I really do suspect that George was not so much a racist but an idiot making poor decisions because he wanted to feel powerful and a hero and instead he killed an innocent kid.

    Unfortunately ... the police might not have collected relevant evidence of George's drug/ETOH level after he shot the kid or documentation of his injuries.

    Now ...because of public outrage ... George will have to produce some evidence to back up his story. George's evidence so far looks pretty bad as he admits putting Traybon in a position to stand his ground even though we have no evidence Traybon did such.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin school suspension linked to pot(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Now ...because of public outrage ... George will have to produce some evidence to back up his story. George's evidence so far looks pretty bad as he admits putting Traybon in a position to stand his ground even though we have no evidence Traybon did such.
    No, George will not have to produce any evidence other than his own testimony. It isn't up to George to prove anything at all. That burden is, and always has been, on the state.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Chris Tutko, director of Neighborhood Watch for the National Sheriffs' Association, said Zimmerman broke some cardinal rules.

    First, he approached a stranger he suspected of wrongdoing.

    "If you see something suspicious, you report it, you step aside and you let law enforcement do their job," Tutko said. "This guy went way beyond the call of duty. At the least, he's overzealous."

    Trayvon Martin: Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman broke Neighborhood Watch gun rules - chicagotribune.com
    Is there an official neighborhood watch program in that neighborhood? Is Zimmerman a member. What the NW guy didn't say is that you also shouldn't be patrolling alone. So from what I've read, Zimmerman isn't in a NW program, so what NW says is irrelevant. It's not even legally binding.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Noone said Zimmerman was smart, however, those rules are not LEGALLY binding.
    Nor have I said they are. I merely said he shares in responsibility, whether he acted legally or not.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin school suspension linked to pot(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    ... George will have to produce some evidence to back up his story.
    Zim has to produce squat....zip, zilch, zero. The burden is on the DA

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Dion, where is the link that says Zimmerman stood on Martin?

    As to Zimmerman never calling for medical aid, for God's sake, the police were there in just a couple minutes. He was a complete wreck. Ever have your adrenalin pumping so hard you think your heart's going to leap out of your chest? Unless you've been there, you just can't imagine the physical assault that adrenalin rush/ebb puts on your body. He wasn't even thinking -- if what he says is true.

    I really think you need more perspective. This isn't cut-and-dried either way. There's too many unknowns.
    I provided the Dateline Interview of a witness who described George straddling the kid's body and then stood up with his foot on him. In fact, that interview was provided to you yesterday and additional excerpt today.

    In fact, George asked them to call police not an ambulance. They said George was taking no action to assist or aid the kid who lie face down.

    I never said it was cut and dried,. In fact ...that is why there was such outrage ...despite so much evidence the police had decidied it was cut and dried.

    Maggie ... police are not the same as an medical EMT.

    Yes ... I have had epinephrine pumping ... many times. If I shoot you for scaring me as you walk away from me in my neighborhood ... even with epinephrine rush ... I would call the EMT to transport you to a medical facility for the GSW.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Sure they're related. Bugulary tools, past history of drugs use both coincide with Zimmermans statements that Martin looked suspicious and may be on drugs. Lends to credibility.
    Burgulary tools? Come on... that's a stretch and you know it (or you don't). Even so, on the night of the incident, none of that was present... so it's not like the kid was preparing to burgularize anyone's home and Zimmerman stopped him. It also does not lend credibility to Martin being a violent aggressor. It's unrelated and does nothing for Zimmerman.
    It's being suspended 3 times since Feb, having bugulary tools, pot pipe with bag & residue as well as allegedly, taking a swing at a bus driver. As I've already stated, that lends credibility to Zimmermans statements to the police.
    Smoking pot has nothing to do with violent behavior. The only possible related thing is the ALLEGED attempt to attack a bus driver. Zimmerman on the other hand has two accounts of him being violent on record.
    If Martin has no past history of drugs, suspensions or alleged violence; was an A student honor roll and never got in trouble in his life, that would tend to cast doubt on Zimmerman's statements.
    Wow, it's interesting that you're willing to take Zimmerman, a proven violent person, over a B student that got suspending for doing nothing violent. Amazing.

    Certainly it wouldn't... unless he was caught swigging beer at school as was suspended for it 3 times... you see?
    No, I don't. Sneaking beer and viciously attacking a man from behind is not related. It's just character assassination. When you get some information about Martin attacking people out of the blue, then you'd have a point.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin school suspension linked to pot(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Smart women learn early on to gauge people and behaviors and situations that may not be safe and avoid them.

    In fact, while the police might and I say might have had some unchecked racism to not put this under immediate investigation ... I really do suspect that George was not so much a racist but an idiot making poor decisions because he wanted to feel powerful and a hero and instead he killed an innocent kid.

    Unfortunately ... the police might not have collected relevant evidence of George's drug/ETOH level after he shot the kid or documentation of his injuries.

    Now ...because of public outrage ... George will have to produce some evidence to back up his story. George's evidence so far looks pretty bad as he admits putting Traybon in a position to stand his ground even though we have no evidence Traybon did such.
    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No, George will not have to produce any evidence other than his own testimony. It isn't up to George to prove anything at all. That burden is, and always has been, on the state.
    Incorrect ... George (through his legal defense) will now have to provide some evidence.

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