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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Seriously, show me where I have done that or condoned ANY character assasination of either Zimmerman or Trayvon.

    So you're of the mindset if someone does something wrong, it's ok for you to?
    I haven't seen you condone it, nor have I seen you go against it. And no, I'm not. My response was for the Zimmerman apologists who, for whatever reason, have been attacking a dead kid's past because they don't want to admit that Zimmerman did something wrong here and should face the consequences of his actions.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    if you follow me in your car and on foot in Florida, and then approach me, I have the legal right to deck you. In Florida..that is.
    ahh , but there you have it. You don't have the proof as fact that Trayvon didn't approach Zimmerman and assualt him, like Zimmerman claimed.

    If you approach someone, they also have the right to defend themselves.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I haven't seen you condone it, nor have I seen you go against it. And no, I'm not. My response was for the Zimmerman apologists who, for whatever reason, have been attacking a dead kid's past because they don't want to admit that Zimmerman did something wrong here and should face the consequences of his actions.
    You quoted my post and then said that, so obviously I took it as you are speaking to me.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Trayvon had no juvenile record. Yes, he had a school suspension.

    George had some incidences with the law on domestic violence and a squirmish with a law officer in which he was charged.

    None of this really is relevant to this case.

    The facts we have are ....

    George continued to pursue an unarmed skinny kid heading home from a store with nothing but skittles. In fact, George himself reports to the dispatcher he is following the kid ... the kid looks at him and then runs away. George actually describes this in his call and then claims "they always get away". George knew an officer was arriving on the scene.

    Cell phone records from the gf back up the time and the gf reports basically the same story George reported ... that Trayvon notices george following and runs away.

    Within a few minutes Trayvon has a fatal injury and George is observed STANDING on Trayvon and makes no attmept to call for medical aid.

    Questions ... the lawyer reports that George self describes his injuries.

    Are there any documentation of such injuries? We know Trayvon had a fatal injury. Where is the medical report of George's injuries?
    George weighed almost twice as much and was following an unarmed minor despite breaking the neighborhood watch rules and disobeying the direction of the 911 dispatcher.

    Traybon will have a drug and ETOH test from his autopsy.

    Did police do a drug and ETOH test on the man who followed and shot Traybon?


    The first witness to the scene reported she saw no scuffle (just heard a kid crying) and found George with his foot on top of the kid. She said police spoke to her for a few minutes and in her mind seemed to readily accept George's version. At that point they never contacted her again.

    If Trayvon had been of legal age and had a legal concealed weapon ... would he have been supported by the NRA if scared of the big guy following and harassing him he had just shot him and stood on his body?

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    ahh , but there you have it. You don't have the proof as fact that Trayvon didn't approach Zimmerman and assualt him, like Zimmerman claimed.

    If you approach someone, they also have the right to defend themselves.
    its a FACT that Zimmerman followed Martin.

    this fact alone, gives Martin the right to Stand His Ground.

    however, we do not know if Martin approached Zimmerman. That is only an unsubstantiated claim.

    based on this, the only person who clearly has SYG on his side, is Martin.

    why? because we KNOW for a FACT, that Zimmerman was following him in his car & on foot.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The girlfriend's recount of her call with Martin is that it was Martin who confronted Zimmerman. There is zero evidence that Zimmerman confronted Martin.

    Zimmerman said Martin looked suspicious because he was acting oddly in his view and acting like he was on drugs. The claim that Zimmerman believed Martin suspicious for wearing a hoodie is just something media personalities made up.

    I would like a society where people looked out for each other and each other's property. Zimmerman kept his gun concealed (also known by the girlfriend's statement about what Martin said on the phone). I have NO problem with adults (qualified, skilled) carrying firearms. None. I have no problem with ANYONE calling police on someone they see as acting suspicious and if that person runs after learning the police are being called watching where that person went with police on the way is correct and desired conduct in my opinion.


    Personally, I think all neighborhood crime watch should be armed and trained accordingly.
    But that doesn't describe Zimmerman's actions. A person who is qualified to carry firearms doesn't go out looking for trouble. It's not like Zimmerman got out of his car to smoke a cigarette or get some fresh air. He did it with the intent of pursuing Martin.

    I'm good with armed neighborhood watch IF those people are properly trained. This case does not describe someone who was properly trained.


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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    its a FACT that Zimmerman followed Martin.

    this fact alone, gives Martin the right to Stand His Ground.
    No, it isn't.


    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    however, we do not know if Martin approached Zimmerman. That is only an unsubstantiated claim.
    Now, you're finally getting it. We don't know for sure.

    And no if I just follow someone that doesn't give them the right to attack me on that alone.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Oh? What violent facts about Zimmerman are there - please link to them.
    Sure

    Trayvon Martin’s shooter had a domestic violence altercation in 2005 - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com

    See the OP links
    You can't use pot as a reference point towards violent behavior. The two aren't related.

    I'm sorry you're ignorant of the law. There's nothing I can do other than point it out over and over to you. Please educate yourself on Character Witnesses in the U.S. legal system.
    How does the possibility of Martin smoking pot relate to this situation? I wonder if him sneaking a swig of beer when he was 15 also related to him being violent?
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Yep, he has violence in his past given the domestic disturbance. Here's what I didn't see... I didn't see in the article where Zimmerman pulled a gun, knife or weapon. I didn't see Zimmerman beat the hell out of his fiance. That lends to severity - there was a domestic dispute and it sounds like both were violent towards each other.

    Anything else? Zimmerman pull a gun on anyone? Police reports of drugs? Bar fights? Arrests?


    A domestic certainly shows Zimmerman could become violent - towards women. I was hoping for more.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yup, attacking the victim with irrelevancies. Keep up the quality work. Here, let me give you a hint: the victim's character is not an issue, his actions that night are. He could be a gang banging, date raping, purse snatching asshole, and if he did nothing wrong on the night he was killed, then the only thing that matters is that he did nothing wrong the night he was killed.
    That's not quite true. His past actions can be used to evaluate the likelihood of his actions on the night in question . . . if not in court, then most certainly, in an investigation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Within a few minutes Trayvon has a fatal injury and George is observed STANDING on Trayvon and makes no attmept to call for medical aid.
    Will you PULLLEEZE stop saying Zimmerman was seen standing on Trayvon. That is not true. You think it is? Where's the link?


    P.S. I don't ever remember seeing a thread as active as this: 14 Members and 9 Guests. Maybe I just never noticed before....?
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