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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    No, it isn't backed up by 911 calls.
    Really? You hear a Martin on the 911 call? You hear Zimmerman talking to him? Wow. You must have better ears than everyone else.

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    You mean the same authority that didn't bother with taking the weapon, pictures, the victims cell phone, pictures of the shooter or victim, running toxicology on the shooter, etc? Those authorities?
    And you have access to the grand jury evidence? You must work for the police department down there.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Martin wasn't even partially wholesome if the reports are accurate. Burglary tools? Pot pipe? Allegedly swinging at a bus driver? Suspended three times since Feb? Sounds like it shows at least the beginnings of a pattern... It's not irrelevant - it goes to the character of the alleged victim and is in no way attacking in any sense. These are facts - you may see them as an attack because you have sympathy, but that sympathy is irrelevant.
    So what?
    I was an incorrigible youth as well...pot pipes, vandalism, fights.. sure been there done that. I do not think any of that would be deserved to have been gunned down for walking down the street... and although I may have been an incorrigible youth it is irrelevant since I moved beyond that and in time realized my potential. Unfortunately in this case, whatever potential for good or bad would have developed will never be known however.

    Sure, we do not know the full story of what all went down that night, but I highly doubt Martin was off to go burglarizing houses equipped with a bag of skittles and a drink. Regardless of if he has a few blemishes in his behavior (not atypical for a kid that age), this whole affair is tragic. His actions in the past have no bearing on the night in question though, let the facts come out as they come out, and let justice do what it does. We do not need armchair juries convicting or demonizing either party in this based on a few snippets here and there.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Of course they do. It would be impossible for human beings not to be effected by stereotypes -- in spite of what political correctness keeps insisting. Learning who our enemies are and being extra vigilant against them is what's kept us alive for tens of thousands of years.
    Stereotypes aren't genetic, they are learned. We are taught to be afraid or suspicious. Political correctness is a process of unlearning those lies, not for those that are already indocrinated, but those that are listening to every word we say. It's our words and behaviors that shape them and shape the future.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yup, attacking the victim with irrelevancies.
    Past actions add to a view of character in any court in the land. Sorry it's inconvenient for you...

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    Keep up the quality work.
    As long as it's factual, I will continue thanks.

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    Here, let me give you a hint: the victim's character is not an issue,
    It lends credibility to Zimmermans actions and statements to the police.

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    his actions that night are.
    His actions that night ALSO are relevant yes.

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    He could be a gang banging, date raping, purse snatching asshole, and if he did nothing wrong on the night he was killed, then the only thing that matters is that he did nothing wrong the night he was killed.
    You're factually wrong as it applies to our legal system. Character witness testimony relays the reliability and reputation as it comes from a person first hand. If the reports are accurate, Martin's character lends credibility to Zimmermans statements.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    So what?
    It lends credibility to Zimmermans statements to the police. That's so what.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Really? You hear a Martin on the 911 call? You hear Zimmerman talking to him? Wow. You must have better ears than everyone else.
    I think we all heard Zimmerman talking to the 911 dispatcher. Martin wasn't on a 911 call.
    And you have access to the grand jury evidence? You must work for the police department down there.
    Most of the above was made public. So no, I don't have to work for the police department.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    He could be a gang banging, date raping, purse snatching asshole, and if he did nothing wrong on the night he was killed, then the only thing that matters is that he did nothing wrong the night he was killed.
    Are you sure, Martin did nothing wrong that night given at the time of the shooting, Martin was on top of Zimmerman, straddling him, delivering blows. This was supported by Zim having grass stains on his back, and blood on the back of his head?

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It lends credibility to Zimmermans statements to the police. That's so what.
    Which may be part of the reason why he has not been arrested.

    let the police and the DA's and the legal system sort it out, and lets not demonize or judge either party based on our media filtered hearsay, we do not know the whole story.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Past actions add to a view of character in any court in the land. Sorry it's inconvenient for you...
    Martin has no violence in his past, unlike Zimmerman. Unless of course you have some evidence that Martin attacked people at random, then it's applicable.

    You're factually wrong as it applies to our legal system. Character witness testimony relays the reliability and reputation as it comes from a person first hand. If the reports are accurate, Martin's character lends credibility to Zimmermans statements.
    No it does not. Martin's character has no history of violence. The reverse is true for Zimmerman.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Which may be part of the reason why he has not been arrested.
    It would be a stretch to think so... I see Zimmerman's statement that Martin was acting suspiciously as a minor thing, given Zimmerman shot and killed Martin.

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    let the police and the DA's and the legal system sort it out, and lets not demonize or judge either party based on our media filtered hearsay, we do not know the whole story.
    Agreed.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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