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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    everything else he has said has been consistent with witness testimony.

    but the person I responded to said that it is known that Zimmerman sought out Martin. Why are you not pointing out that this is unverifiable? be consistent please
    it is a FACT that Zimmerman was following Martin in his car and on foot.

    This is not an allegation. It is a fact verified by Zimmerman's own admission.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    You mean the 911 call where he says "oh crap, I don't know where this kid is"?
    Zimmerman was following & looking for Martin in his car and on foot. This is a fact that is verified by Zimmerman's own admission.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Maybe not legally (debatable), but factually those who act foolishly hold responsibility for their actions. And nowhere did I say Trayvon was blameless. Blame can be shared. But if Zimmerman behaves responsibly, no one dies. And we do know Zimmerman followed and got out of his vehicle. We'll likely learn more later, and can then assign all the proper responsibility. But right know, what we do know is that Zimmerman was told not to follow, he did, he got out of his car, and a young man died. At beat, Zimmerman shares the responsibility.
    You cannot assume events went differently and utopia follows. Maybe if Zimmerman hadn't followed Martin would have attacked someone else, burglarized a house, sold drugs to an 8 year old... There is no knowing the unknown.

    IF Martin was actually just going home had done so, this also wouldn't have happened. If he hadn't started pounding Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk, this wouldn't have happened. If... if... if... That does NOT make shared responsibility.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    No that's not a fact. That's rhetoric.

    And there are multiple threads talking about that night... this thread is talking about Martin's history prior to that night.
    Mostly I agree with you. But I'm not sure if he was white and wearing a hoodie that this would have ended the same. I do think our perceptions are often based on stereotypes and those can and often do have a bit of race in them.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    that evidence is from the 911 tape. the 911 tape is full of ****?
    No, but your interpretation of the tape might be.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    it is a FACT that Zimmerman was following Martin in his car and on foot.

    This is not an allegation. It is a fact verified by Zimmerman's own admission.
    I think I must've read everything out there on this -- and I don't recall Zimmerman saying he followed Martin in his car...nor on foot. Oh, wait. When the dispatcher asked if he was following, Martin said, "Yes." When the dispatcher said, "Okay, we don't need you to do that," we do not know that he continued to do so.

    Ya' know, folks, we're talking about proof beyond a reasonable doubt that this guy is guilty of something. Not, "Well, I think it happened this way, and he's a murderer."
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Anyone recognize this black teen? He killed an old white guy in Spokane Washington. Treven Lewis is his very similar name, where's the outrage?


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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    it is a FACT that Zimmerman was following Martin in his car and on foot.

    This is not an allegation. It is a fact verified by Zimmerman's own admission.
    Explain what illegal act was done.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    You cannot assume events went differently and utopia follows. Maybe if Zimmerman hadn't followed Martin would have attacked someone else, burglarized a house, sold drugs to an 8 year old... There is no knowing the unknown.

    IF Martin was actually just going home had done so, this also wouldn't have happened. If he hadn't started pounding Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk, this wouldn't have happened. If... if... if... That does NOT make shared responsibility.
    No where have I done that. No utopia. No speculation on what Matin might have done. Only that following and getting out of the care is a positive act, and it has to be considered as partly responsible.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No one is entirely wholesome. However, nothing available suggests he was a bad person, just a young one. It is also entirely irrelevant and attacking the victim.
    Martin wasn't even partially wholesome if the reports are accurate. Burglary tools? Pot pipe? Allegedly swinging at a bus driver? Suspended three times since Feb? Sounds like it shows at least the beginnings of a pattern... It's not irrelevant - it goes to the character of the alleged victim and is in no way attacking in any sense. These are facts - you may see them as an attack because you have sympathy, but that sympathy is irrelevant.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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