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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Did Zimmerman have Martin's school records in front of him? Doubtful.

    Getting out of your car isn't illegal. Fine. Neither is possession of a screwdriver.
    Schools don't conduct criminal trials nor have to met the standards of one to make decisions, nor do I. Caught vandalizing a locker (spray paint) and then searching his locker producing a screwdriver and girl's jewelry unwilling to say where he got it and who gave it to him can - as a "probably" lead ME to believe him a burglar/thief. If you point is that doesn't met a criminal trial standard? No, it doesn't.
    Civil cases are ALL decided without reaching the standards of a criminal trial to. Obviously none of us are talking about putting Martin on trial at any trial. Rather, we are - based on facts - drawing conclusions on "issues," and one issue is was the days and days of presenting Martin as the perfect behavior teen. That opens the quesiton of was he?
    It would seem obviously not. I suppose you can claim the school also entered into a conspiracy against him while a live, like claimed police did of his death. I agree with the school but also draw my own "likelihood" conclusions of my own.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    There is evidence that he isn't full of it. The police have confirmed that they have multiple witnesses that back up key points of his account of events.
    NO witnesses have stated that Martin attacked Zimmerman from behind.

    that is only Zimmerman's allegation.

    however, it is a FACT that Zimmerman searched for Martin in his car, and then on foot, against the directions of the 911 operator.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    that is Zimmerman's claim.

    it has yet to be determind if he is telling the truth.

    their is evidence that he is full of ****.
    everything else he has said has been consistent with witness testimony.

    but the person I responded to said that it is known that Zimmerman sought out Martin. Why are you not pointing out that this is unverifiable? be consistent please

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    LEGAL actions do not bear illegal actions being taken. Therefore no, by the fact of Zimmerman following and getting out of the car LEGALLY, does it warrant an illegal action being taken against him if that is what happened afterword.

    Trayvon, could have called the police as well. In fact, if he did, he might be alive today.
    Maybe not legally (debatable), but factually those who act foolishly hold responsibility for their actions. And nowhere did I say Trayvon was blameless. Blame can be shared. But if Zimmerman behaves responsibly, no one dies. And we do know Zimmerman followed and got out of his vehicle. We'll likely learn more later, and can then assign all the proper responsibility. But right know, what we do know is that Zimmerman was told not to follow, he did, he got out of his car, and a young man died. At beat, Zimmerman shares the responsibility.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    The fact is, Martin was stalked because he was black. Dr_Patrick is exactly right in that the course of events that led to Martin's death was initiated by Zimmerman. Legality has nothing to do with it; Martin was minding his own business and doing nothing wrong. Zimmerman was not.

    That this even has to be explained illustrates the latent racism that still exists in this country.
    We'll never know if Martin was doing nothing wrong or not.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    The fact is, Martin was stalked because he was black.....
    God help us.


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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    The fact is, Martin was stalked because he was black.
    No that's not a fact. That's rhetoric.

    And there are multiple threads talking about that night... this thread is talking about Martin's history prior to that night.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You are correct, it has nothing to do with the night he was killed. The only thing it does is it explains why he was there (in Orlando instead of Miami-Dade) and it provides insight into his life and background. It seems the wholesome dead boy wasn't quite as wholesome as people were led to believe. One report in the OP links identified he was suspended 3 times and had burglary tools? That gives at least a little creedance to Zimmermans report that Martin was acting suspicious - it's now at least possible that Martin was indeed acting suspicious given the history.
    No one is entirely wholesome. However, nothing available suggests he was a bad person, just a young one. It is also entirely irrelevant and attacking the victim.
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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    that evidence is from the 911 tape. the 911 tape is full of ****?
    You mean the 911 call where he says "oh crap, I don't know where this kid is"?

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    Re: Trayvon Martin - burglary tools and illegal drugs possession...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Being told not to do something is an order, he was not ordered to do anything.
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