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Sourcing Trayvon Martin “Photos” From Stormfront

Thank you Mr. Alinski.


j-mac

wtf does Alinski have to do with anything? Both you and Gingrich seem to not have a clue who he is but love to throw his name around because... well because?
 
wtf does Alinski have to do with anything? Both you and Gingrich seem to not have a clue who he is but love to throw his name around because... well because?

Nothing. It's a tactic to avoid having to consider anything you don't want to.
 
Is the story that these pictures are not real or is the story that racists have posted these pictures?

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If those photos are real its much different than these. A picture is worth a thousand a words.
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Even if the middle finger photo were accurate, so what? They look like typical teenage pics to me. No where do I see "I have no business being here, George, so please shoot me before I break your face & put your head through that there sidewalk".
 
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Stop lying. I can quote where I did the exact opposite of what you claim.

Here is a quote of exactly what you said.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...artin-photos-stormfront-6.html#post1060342146
False. I am asssuming that Zimmerman is racist because I heard the word coon.


Are you aware of what the word "while" means? Normal people don't carry weapons WHILE they follow random strangers. It's there for a reason, and it's dishonest to break down the sentence instead fo acknowleging that the behaviors described are purposefully coupled together.

If someone normally carries a gun then they will carry it with them where ever they can legally carry it.



Not if they are a normal person. A normal person would call the cops and then let them do their job. A normal person listens when the 911 operator tells them not to follow that stranger.
False. The point of a neighborhood watch is to watch out for anythign suspicious and then call the police so that the police can do their job.

If a normal person is on neighborhood watching watching his and his neighbors property then he is going to watch the suspicious person until the cops can get there and maybe even ask the suspicious person what they are doing. A lot can happen in between the time the cops are called and when they show up.





Neighborhood watch =/= police.

I never claimed neighborhood watch equal police.
 
and yet he gets out of the police car and walks around just fine.

something tells me Zimmy is exaggerating the supposed beating he got from this young man.

My head was hit really hard on concrete before, and I was dizzy... couldn't stand up and was seeing spots for a long time, and I felt nauseous. I was concerned and called my mom because I didn't know if I had a concussion and needed to go to the ER.
 
My head was hit really hard on concrete before, and I was dizzy... couldn't stand up and was seeing spots for a long time, and I felt nauseous. I was concerned and called my mom because I didn't know if I had a concussion and needed to go to the ER.
And?
Your personal experience is anecdotal.
Different people respond differently to head injuries.
 
Normal people don't carry weapons around wile they follow random strangers.

I don't know about 'normal' people but of people living in a town that rates a 3 out 100, 100 being safest, most sane people certainly would, legal or not, and they will also 'profile' black males wearing hoodies as well, regardless of whether some PC airheads out in the Burbs like it or not; such a crime rate guarantees profiling and an aggressive neighborhood watch is a necessity. All that's 'wrong' here is Zimmerman's color.
 
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And?
Your personal experience is anecdotal.
Different people respond differently to head injuries.

Severe head trauma would require care
 
I don't know about 'normal' people but of people living in a town that rates a 3 out 100, 100 being safest, most sane people certainly would, legal or not, and they will also 'profile' black males wearing hoodies as well, regardless of whether some PC airheads out in the Burbs like it or not; such a crime rate guarantees profiling and an aggressive neighborhood watch is a necessity. All that's 'wrong' here is Zimmerman's color.

How safe was their neighborhood? When I read about it, it doesn't seem very safe but its gated. Most gated communities are safe.
 
Severe head trauma would require care
Yes and no.
Besides, he was treated on the scene and then it was reported that he sought treatment the next day.

I guess I do not understand why you think this matters?

The standard to use deadly force is a reasonable belief of imminent death or great bodily harm.
I would think that a person could reasonably come to the belief that great bodily harm was imminent when their head was being slammed into concrete. Or if you prefer, being bounced off the sidewalk.
 
Severe head trauma would require care

Why does it have to get to the point of being severe? What good would it do if you reach that *being a vegetable* point?

You react, you STOP, the threat before it gets severe

Thats the whole point...to survive, to live because you feared for your life. Nothing else matters at that time. Period
 
All tactics aside.

Both sides have said and done some stupid things.

FOr me it simply.

I dont know what happened but IF its true ZImmerman went home with his gun that night and no drug testing that complete BS.

Now he may be completely innocent but I do feel 100% they dropped the ball on doing a thorough investigation.

Media mutts like Sharpton are part of the problem even if Zimmerman is guilty
Media overall is guilty in many ways of trying to sway OPINIONS one way or another.

Ive seen many disgusting things from both sides like the stupidity of saying its his fault he had on a hoodie or that zimmerman deserved beaten for simply making the phone call. Complete nonsense.

Im GLAD zimmerman is in custody because he SHOULD be and IM glad that this will be investigated because it SHOULD be.

Other than that we'll see.

since this thread started out about pictures has anybody posted this? it was in another thread.
 

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Now he may be completely innocent but I do feel 100% they dropped the ball on doing a thorough investigation.

How in hell... is a Murder 2 charge dropping, the ball?

It started with manslaughter and finished with a M 2

How do you figure?
 
How in hell... is a Murder 2 charge dropping, the ball?

It started with manslaughter and finished with a M 2

How do you figure?

I figure by reading what I actually wrote.

who said a murder 2 charge is dropping the ball? thats right NOBODY lol
thanks for being knee-jerk and assuming the wrong stuff.

they dropped the ball because its 30+ days later, thats how LOL

try quoting my whole thread and I said IF its true ZImmerman got to go home that night with his gun and no drug test etc thats complete BS and they really dropped the ball.
 
Yes and no.
Besides, he was treated on the scene and then it was reported that he sought treatment the next day.

I guess I do not understand why you think this matters?

The standard to use deadly force is a reasonable belief of imminent death or great bodily harm.
I would think that a person could reasonably come to the belief that great bodily harm was imminent when their head was being slammed into concrete. Or if you prefer, being bounced off the sidewalk.

Caring for somebody with severe head trauma would require more than just opening a First Aid Kit.

The point is, Zimmerman probably didn't have severe head trauma at all. Unlike his lawyers claiming he could have had shaken baby syndrome and the head trauma itself was life threatening. If he wasn't vomiting or dizzy, then he didn't have severe head trauma and his life was in threat because of head trauma.
 
Really?
You know what normal people, who carry a firearm, do?

I know that normal people don't follow random strangers around, regardless of how much weaponry they have on their person.

Are you claiming that people who carry firearms DO follow random strangers, as a rule? If so, then I would argue that it means that people who carry firearms are not normal.

LOL
A normal person, who had called the police and was waiting for them to arrive, could certainly want to keep the person they called about under observation until police arrived on scene so they could then point that person out.
Actually, that would be a pretty normal thing to do.

I might be wrong about this (and given the nature of this thread, I get the sneaking suspicion that I am wrong about this), but I don't assume that normal people are ****ing idiots. There's a reason why the 911 operator told him not to follow the guy. It's very very stupid to follow a criminal. If you think someone is a criminal, the absolute stupidest thing you can possibly do is follow them.

I think that normal people are smart enough to realize this. I think that only an exceptionally stupid person would fail to make the connection that criminals commit crimes.

So why is it your contention that it is normal to be exceptionally stupid?
 
I know that normal people don't follow random strangers around, regardless of how much weaponry they have on their person.

Are you claiming that people who carry firearms DO follow random strangers, as a rule? If so, then I would argue that it means that people who carry firearms are not normal.



I might be wrong about this (and given the nature of this thread, I get the sneaking suspicion that I am wrong about this), but I don't assume that normal people are ****ing idiots. There's a reason why the 911 operator told him not to follow the guy. It's very very stupid to follow a criminal. If you think someone is a criminal, the absolute stupidest thing you can possibly do is follow them.

I think that normal people are smart enough to realize this. I think that only an exceptionally stupid person would fail to make the connection that criminals commit crimes.

So why is it your contention that it is normal to be exceptionally stupid?

Zimmerman called 911 all the time and most of his calls were false alarms..

Why was his judgment so impaired?
 
Zimmerman called 911 all the time and most of his calls were false alarms..

Why was his judgment so impaired?

It's because his eyes are set too close to each other.
 
Here is a quote of exactly what you said.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...artin-photos-stormfront-6.html#post1060342146
False. I am asssuming that Zimmerman is racist because I heard the word coon.

:rofl And that is true. I did hear the word coon when I listened to the recording. Did you know that I quoted two sentences of yours, though? One was accurate, one was a lie. I figured that your penchant for ignoring large swaths of words in posts would lead you to ignore the second sentence, and I was not dissapointed.

You also said "Those examples you gave were you being facetious or sarcastic." Which is pure bull****. And you just provided the evidence proving that that claim is bull**** and therefore, you liar.

As anyone who actually reads that paragraph that quoted can see, I also said "As I noted before, though, the best argument I have heard with regard to what he said as far as creating the benefit of the doubt on his racism is that he might have said "goon". That actually makes sense in the context of the phone call and, to be honest, it provides enough basis for me to alter my opinion that he is definitely a racist. Now I would say it really depends on whether he said "goon" or "coon".

Now, you can see that my example of GOON was neither facetious nor sarcastic. In fact, I retracted my previous claims about Zimmerman being a racist based on that example. The fact that the sentences where I did this are immediately after the one you quoted proves that you are a liar. You can't claim your didn't see them because YOU must have seen them.

The best thing about it is that you have provided the evidence that proves you are a liar. Well done.


See, what I heard is what I heard. Learning that I might have heard incorrectly doesn't change what I heard when I listened to the audio. That's just a fact of reality.



If someone normally carries a gun then they will carry it with them where ever they can legally carry it.


And if they are following random strangers they are not normal. People who follow random strangers aren't normal.

When they do this while armed, they are abnormal people who have become a danger to themselves and others.




If a normal person is on neighborhood watching watching his and his neighbors property then he is going to watch the suspicious person until the cops can get there and maybe even ask the suspicious person what they are doing.

Watching =/= following. Stop lying in order to pretend you have a point.

Only a ****ing idiot would follow a potential criminal. Are you saying being a ****ing idiot is the norm?

A lot can happen in between the time the cops are called and when they show up.

Of course I know that a lot can happen before the police arrive. For example, the ****ing idiot who becomes a danger to himself and others by following random stranger while armed can end up killing an innocent person.

Or in cases where the person being followed isn't an inocent person and is actually a criminal, the ****ing idiot who thinks he's a cowboy can get himself killed by said criminal who doesn't appreciate being followed by a ****ing idiot who thinks he's a cowboy.

At any rate, we've pretty much established the fact that Zimmerman was being a ****ing idiot (and that his extraordinary idiocy has ruined multiple people's lives). Now, unless you think that being a ****ing idiot is normal, we've also established that Zimmerman was not behaving like a normal person would.






I never claimed neighborhood watch equal police.

They why did you say that it was the job of someone in the neighborhood WATCH to keep the neighborhood safe from crime when that's not the job of the neighborhood watch?
 
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