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Sourcing Trayvon Martin “Photos” From Stormfront

Tucker Case said:
Yeah, those make sense in the context of a 911 call. I mean, if I could say it sounds more like "Sueprcalafragalistic expialadocious" if I really wanted to, but most peopel would think "Why th e**** would anyone say that?

At least "****ing goons" (one argument I have heard about what he said) actually makes sense in the context.

right. But "****ing poofed" is the height of logical objective analysis. :lol:
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Seeing how the part after ****ing is practically inaudible it could be anything.Because you are assuming that Zimmerman is a racist you attribute that practically inaudible word to coon.

:prof Following a person you think is up to no good is seeking a confrontation.
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Following a person is not seeking a confrontation, nor does it warrant assaulting someone. It it did then a lot of store clerks, security guards and police would be getting their ass whipped.

Thus justifying any fears that the boy had about him. Trayvon was being followed by an armed and paranoid individual who was clearly engaging in irrational behaviors despite the fact that he had been advised otherwise.
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He was followed by a neighborhood watch guy that thought he was doing something suspicious and was trying to get away

Trayvon, sensing that Zimmerman meant to do something to him, attempted to escape form his stalker, but this dangerous person continued to follow him, engaged in a confrontation with him, and ended his life.
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You have no evidence of that.



There most certainly is. Zimmerman sought out the confrontation from the start by following him and staring at him.
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Again following someone is not seeking out a confrontation.

Following and staring at someone is most certainly a threatening behavior. Test it out some time. Stare at and follow a stranger for a while. Make sure they know that you are staring at them and following them
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Following and starring at someone means you think that person is suspicious and you don't want them trying to take your **** just like a store clerk or security guard following and or staring someone in a store.
 
No one will forget this. The racial hatred and glee that the kid is dead from the right has motivated people to never forget and zimmermans who family will die to quell the anger. Every time someone says good that the kid is dead someone else thinks I hope zimmermans mother is raped and murdered. This will end in more blood.
 
kenvin said:
Every time someone says good that the kid is dead someone else thinks I hope zimmermans mother is raped and murdered. This will end in more blood.
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Do you remember any early violent instincts as a child?

Can you describe them?
 
ric27 said:
Do you remember any early violent instincts as a child?

Can you describe them?
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People are tired of the gleeful hate from the right. This will be more violent. Zimmerman will be killed.
 
kenvin said:
People are tired of the gleeful hate from the right. This will be more violent. Zimmerman will be killed.
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Do you enjoy living?
 
jamesrage said:
Seeing how the part after ****ing is practically inaudible it could be anything.
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Could it even be cauliflower? That would make sense in this context, right?

Because you are assuming that Zimmerman is a racist you attribute that practically inaudible word to coon.
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False. I am asssuming that Zimmerman is racist because I heard the word coon. As I noted before, though, the best argument I have heard with regard to what he said as far as creating the benefit of the doubt on his racism is that he might have said "goon". That actually makes sense in the context of the phone call and, to be honest, it provides enough basis for me to alter my opinion that he is definitely a racist. Now I would say it really depends on whether he said "goon" or "coon".



Following a person is not seeking a confrontation
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Cool. Accept my challenge then. Follow a stranger around while staring at them. Pay a stranger to stare at and follow your wife around and then ask her if she felt threatened by it.

It it did then a lot of store clerks, security guards and police would be getting their ass whipped.
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You realize that those examples are in a totally different context than what we are talking about right? Nobody is going to mistake any of those people as a threat to themselves.

He was followed by a neighborhood watch guy that thought he was doing something suspicious and was trying to get away
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Did the guy have a neighborhood watch uniform on that proclaimed his status like how qa store clerk, security guard, or police officer would have such a uniform?

You have no evidence of that.
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Yeah we do. We know for a fact that shortly after Trayvon certainly noticed that he was being followed/stared at by Zimmerman he ran away (and we also know that he had no other reason to run away since he was not doing anything wrong). All it takes is a very small amount of common sense applied to what Zimmerman is saying in the 911 tapes to draw the conclusion I have reached.




Again following someone is not seeking out a confrontation.
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OK, then test your theory out.


Following and starring at someone means you think that person is suspicious and you don't want them trying to take your **** just like a store clerk or security guard following and or staring someone in a store.
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Oh, ****, then someone had better tell the rapists and muggers of the world that they are doing it wrong since they follow and stare at people all the ****ing time. Too bad they don't have you around to inform them that the only reason anyone ever stares at or follows someone is if they find them suspicious.

Although if you are so certain that it is so non-threatening to be followed by and stared at by a person why not test your theory out? Follow a stranger around, stare at them. When they run away, find them again and continue to stare at them and follow them. I'm sure they'll kindly turn towards you and say "I'm so sorry, good sir, I hope I didn't raise your suspicions somehow. I am a law abiding citizen who would never do anything wrong. You can certainly trust me, dear sir."

There's no way they'd feel threatened by you. I mean, your behavior would be like the least threatening behavior in the history of mankind. There are new born babies that pose more of a threat than a stranger following someone around staring at them, right? Surely that stranger is a perfectly normal and non-threatening individual who is simply just a tad suspicious of them because they happen to be in their presence.

It's not like this person might have a gun or anythi... oh, ****, I guess it is possible the stranger might have a gun. But even still, there is certainly no chance that you could end dead in such a scenario... Oh wait, yeah.. yeah you could. But despite that, it's definitely not threatening behavior. Nope, not in the least.
 
kenvin said:
Every time someone says good that the kid is dead someone else thinks I hope zimmermans mother is raped and murdered.
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Any person who thinks that about Zimmerman's mother is just as much of a worthless piece of **** as the person who celebrated Martin's death.
 
Tucker Case said:
I'm sure you conclusion was something you honestly believe to be true, but that doesn't prevent it from being erroneous and it is certainly erroneous because it was founded in ignorance.

I can't force you to relinquish your ignorance, it appears you truly cherish it in this instance, but I can point it out when you are employing it to make a claim about me.

Now, carry on, you were wallowing in your own ignorance and then using it to make **** up about people.
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So it's clear you cannot be rational about the subject matter. If you can't be honest and reflective about your previous posts, what's the point of discussing it further? My ignorance is only limited to the what you provided me to observe. I don't have to make anything up, you've provided it all for me with a pretty bow. If you don't want to run the risk of being criticized, don't post.

Any more accusations or you done?
 
Ockham said:
So it's clear you cannot be rational about the subject matter.
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What's there to be rational about? You've proudly proclaimed that you prefer to wallow in ignorance than to question your initial, flawed assumptions. I've already calmly and rationally explained the truth to you. I cannot force you to accept the education that has been offered.

If you can't be honest and reflective about your previous posts, what's the point of discussing it further?
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You don't understand what I was saying and you have chosen to remain ignorant of what I was saying so you are certainly not a competent judge of my honesty. You've proudly proclaimed that you will wallow in your own ignorance, so what can I possibly do to help you understand?

My ignorance is only limited to the what you provided me to observe.
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Stop lying. You have already openly stated that you have decided not to take advantage of the evidence that is available for you to analyze, and that you are perfectly content to stick with your erroneous conclusions which you absolutely refuse to question under any circumstances.

I don't have to make anything up
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Of course you do. when someone is faced with something they can't comprehend and they refuse to educate themselves about that which they can't comprehend, the only way they can possibly lay claim to knowing anything about said thing is by making it all up.

You are making claims about something that you do clearly not have the capacity to understand and you have decided to remain ignorant, so you will never gain any such capacity. Ergo, any claims you make about my argument must, by virtue of your demonstrated instability to understand my argument coupled with your decision to remain ignorant of that argument, be entirely made up because you cannot possibly have the intellectual tools necessary to build an accurate claim under the conditions you have created for yourself.




If you don't want to run the risk of being criticized, don't post.
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I have no problem with being criticized. I've even criticized myself in this very thread. If you actually comprehended that which you read, you might be aware of that.

What I have a problem with is people who, for what ever reason, lack the intellectual capacity to comprehend my arguments yet still have the arrogance to pretend to be my superior. While there are certainly people on this site who are my intellectual superior, I assure you each and every one of those people is far superior to you in their reading comprehension skills, which I've noticed can be quite sub-par at times (this, of course, being one of them).

Granted, you don't have to believe me. You've already decided that you will ignore what I actually say and replace it with things you have made up in your head when it comes down to my arguments, so why not do it with that too? Pretend I said you are the best I have ever seen at comprehending what you read or some other such self-delusional nonsense.

Any more accusations or you done?
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Depends. Are you done doing things which warrant accusation?
 
kenvin said:
No one will forget this. The racial hatred and glee that the kid is dead from the right has motivated people to never forget and zimmermans who family will die to quell the anger. Every time someone says good that the kid is dead someone else thinks I hope zimmermans mother is raped and murdered. This will end in more blood.
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Are you black yourself? Only a black would think this way.
 
Matt Foley said:
Are you black yourself? Only a black would think this way.
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He is absolutely not African-American. He's a spoiled, suburban white kid. My suggestion is to just blow him off.
 
Tucker Case said:
What's there to be rational about? You've proudly proclaimed that you prefer to wallow in ignorance than to question your initial, flawed assumptions. I've already calmly and rationally explained the truth to you. I cannot force you to accept the education that has been offered.



You don't understand what I was saying and you have chosen to remain ignorant of what I was saying so you are certainly not a competent judge of my honesty. You've proudly proclaimed that you will wallow in your own ignorance, so what can I possibly do to help you understand?



Stop lying. You have already openly stated that you have decided not to take advantage of the evidence that is available for you to analyze, and that you are perfectly content to stick with your erroneous conclusions which you absolutely refuse to question under any circumstances.



Of course you do. when someone is faced with something they can't comprehend and they refuse to educate themselves about that which they can't comprehend, the only way they can possibly lay claim to knowing anything about said thing is by making it all up.

You are making claims about something that you do clearly not have the capacity to understand and you have decided to remain ignorant, so you will never gain any such capacity. Ergo, any claims you make about my argument must, by virtue of your demonstrated instability to understand my argument coupled with your decision to remain ignorant of that argument, be entirely made up because you cannot possibly have the intellectual tools necessary to build an accurate claim under the conditions you have created for yourself.






I have no problem with being criticized. I've even criticized myself in this very thread. If you actually comprehended that which you read, you might be aware of that.

What I have a problem with is people who, for what ever reason, lack the intellectual capacity to comprehend my arguments yet still have the arrogance to pretend to be my superior. While there are certainly people on this site who are my intellectual superior, I assure you each and every one of those people is far superior to you in their reading comprehension skills, which I've noticed can be quite sub-par at times (this, of course, being one of them).

Granted, you don't have to believe me. You've already decided that you will ignore what I actually say and replace it with things you have made up in your head when it comes down to my arguments, so why not do it with that too? Pretend I said you are the best I have ever seen at comprehending what you read or some other such self-delusional nonsense.



Depends. Are you done doing things which warrant accusation?
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^ That's the longest totally of not relevancy to the topic personal flaming someone out of the basement I've seen in a while.

Do you have any comments on the topic of this thread discussion.
 
kenvin said:
People are tired of the gleeful hate from the right. This will be more violent. Zimmerman will be killed.
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You've gone off the deep end, buddy.
 
Tucker Case said:
What's there to be rational about? You've proudly proclaimed that you prefer to wallow in ignorance than to question your initial, flawed assumptions. I've already calmly and rationally explained the truth to you. I cannot force you to accept the education that has been offered.
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Check... not rational.


Tucker Case said:
You don't understand what I was saying and you have chosen to remain ignorant of what I was saying so you are certainly not a competent judge of my honesty. You've proudly proclaimed that you will wallow in your own ignorance, so what can I possibly do to help you understand?
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You still don't get it... I really don't care as the content was an incoherent rant. Whine somewhere else to someone who wants to discuss it with you. I simply observed you being irrational.

Tucker Case said:
Stop lying. You have already openly stated that you have decided not to take advantage of the evidence that is available for you to analyze, and that you are perfectly content to stick with your erroneous conclusions which you absolutely refuse to quesn under any circumstances.
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I have no purpose or benefit to lying. It gains me nothing... this isn't about evidence it's about you blowing your top and ranting. While I understand you wanting to do damage control now, perhaps you should try being honest with yourself first, before making yet ... gee... more accusations.... wow. Didn't I see that one coming or what?!

Tucker Case said:
Of course you do. when someone is faced with something they can't comprehend and they refuse to educate themselves about that which they can't comprehend, the only way they can possibly lay claim to knowing anything about said thing is by making it all up.
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You're rant was no macro physics lesson dude. Stop trying to make it into something it wasn't. It was embarrassing for you and I felt embarrassed for you so much so that I responded to it. And now, you make it worse... so yes, if there's something I can't comprehend is your doubling down.

Tucker Case said:
You are making claims about something that you do clearly not have the capacity to understand and you have decided to remain ignorant, so you will never gain any such capacity.
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Ahh yes... the veiled accusation of my innate supidity. Spare me... I was bored two posts ago of this same thing.

Tucker Case said:
I have no problem with being criticized. I've even criticized myself in this very thread. If you actually comprehended that which you read, you might be aware of that.
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Perhaps you're inability to speak in a coherent manner affects others comprehension. If I've not comprehended properly, you should try harder to be coherent.

Tucker Case said:
What I have a problem with is people who...
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You mistake me for someone who cares what your problem is... I don't.

Tucker Case said:
Granted, you don't have to believe me.
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I'm really not interested enough to bother thinking about it. You apparently have a problem with someone who took you to be an intelligent person, who rationally discusses topics and makes usually insightful observations. Lesson learned dude. Thanks - it's was valuable.

Tucker Case said:
Depends. Are you done doing things which warrant accusation?
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Again, you mistake me for someone who cares. Please... continue to embarrass yourself. I can't wait to see what's next... more about my inability to comprehend I'll bet.

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As I said before in another post. You people are sick for simply not saying "Hey this adult shot and killed a child there should be extreme ramifications."

Let's say your son was a Billy Bad-Ass and I lived in a Florida. I saw your Billy Bad-Ass son walk by so I started to stalk him. He got wind of this and he turned around and got all hard with me. Instead of you know, not doing anything about it or doing that in the first place because I'm a grown man, I pull out a gun because his little fist punched me and put two in his head. There you go guys he hit me! You can't say **** about it but I just killed your son. Would you defend that? Would you say I had a right to do it?

Once again, you people. Sick.
 
JohnWOlin said:
As I said before in another post. You people are sick for simply not saying "Hey this adult shot and killed a child there should be extreme ramifications."

Let's say your son was a Billy Bad-Ass and I lived in a Florida. I saw your Billy Bad-Ass son walk by so I started to stalk him. He got wind of this and he turned around and got all hard with me. Instead of you know, not doing anything about it or doing that in the first place because I'm a grown man, I pull out a gun because his little fist punched me and put two in his head. There you go guys he hit me! You can't say **** about it but I just killed your son. Would you defend that? Would you say I had a right to do it?

Once again, you people. Sick.
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My Billy Bad-Ass son would anticipate. Ya see, my Billy Bad-Ass son would know that, the means of surviving a lethal scenario, is neither the weapon nor his Gumbo noodles Koo-Fart skillz. His primary tool would be his combat mindset. Just like his daddy, Billy Bad-Ass Sr.
 
JohnWOlin said:
As I said before in another post. You people are sick for simply not saying "Hey this adult shot and killed a child there should be extreme ramifications."
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Why?
Yes he is someone's child, just as Zimmerman is someone's child, but framing it that way is ridiculous.
Trayvon was a young adult of the age 17. He was old enough to be emancipated and old enough to be tried as an adult.

By the evidence we have, Trayvon's actions are the only thing wrong. That makes him responsible for the situation.
 
Tettsuo said:
The family gave photos that most reminded them of their son. I doubt it was some plot.
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The picture of him when he was 12 years old (the one the media uses in the "Hollister" shirt) works for their agenda. The ones that depict him at age 17 just doesn't gin up public symathy and fuel the fires of a race war.
 
Excon said:
Why?
Yes he is someone's child, just as Zimmerman is someone's child, but framing it that way is ridiculous.
Trayvon was a young adult of the age 17. He was old enough to be emancipated and old enough to be tried as an adult.

By the evidence we have, Trayvon's actions are the only thing wrong. That makes him responsible for the situation.
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But, but, but but....
 
JohnWOlin said:
As I said before in another post. You people are sick for simply not saying "Hey this adult shot and killed a child there should be extreme ramifications."

Let's say your son was a Billy Bad-Ass and I lived in a Florida. I saw your Billy Bad-Ass son walk by so I started to stalk him. He got wind of this and he turned around and got all hard with me. Instead of you know, not doing anything about it or doing that in the first place because I'm a grown man, I pull out a gun because his little fist punched me and put two in his head. There you go guys he hit me! You can't say **** about it but I just killed your son. Would you defend that? Would you say I had a right to do it?

Once again, you people. Sick.
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Once again you're irrational, and don't even follow the law.
 
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