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    Re: 1 in 5 Pharmacies Hinders Teens' Access to 'Morning-After' Pill: Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    Who said they have to stock it?
    WHo said Im going to force them to write a prescription?

    when you quote me, please stay on topic to what I actually said and not interject other made up scenarios

    so no they can not legally do so

    if the meds are in their pharmacy and I already have a prescription to obtain it legally then they are to do nothing more than their job and give me my legally prescribed meds, thats its

    their morals or personal opinions have no place in the decision to dispense me the meds at all, if they do hold the script back from me based on solely those reasons they are in fact infringing on my rights.

    I apologize if I mistook what you read, but when I read
    "any pharmacy that is INTENTIONALLY holding back meds/info from any persons legally allowed access to said material, based on anything solely moral/personal and not scientific/medical, should be heavily punished and or shut down and licenses suspend revoked etc." I was assuming this was the case. Any woman over the age of 17 is legally allowed to access plan B. They gain that access by going to the pharmacy counter and the pharmacist must then write a prescription for it. I took your comment to mean that because women are legally allowed to get plan B that every pharmacist must give them the medication and write the prescription for one.

    Also, just because someone has a prescription doesn't mean a pharmacist is (or should be) forced to fill that prescription under their license. We turn away people we suspect of being drug addicts and don't fill their oxy's or methadone. A pharmacist in many states (where the law isn't backwards) may also refuse to fill abortifacients based on their moral convictions. A patient doesn't have the right to force someone to go against their ethical values in order to preform a non-necessary function of their practice. A woman can't demand that any doctor preform an abortion on her, much the same way no one should force a pharmacist to fill drugs that they have deep ethical convictions about. When it comes to life necessary medications I agree with you. But things like birth control or abortifacients I do not agree with being forced to fill. I don't support degrading the profession and forcing individuals to use their license as nothing more than dispensary slaves because a person believes that the drug unethically kills another human or if they disagree with contraception. I think it's an infringement of rights to tell someone to sit down and fill a non-necessary med under an individuals license that they have earned and pay for to fill a prescription because a patient is entitled to a med and that no has the right to stand by their ethical/moral values.
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    Re: 1 in 5 Pharmacies Hinders Teens' Access to 'Morning-After' Pill: Study

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I apologize if I mistook what you read, but when I read
    "any pharmacy that is INTENTIONALLY holding back meds/info from any persons legally allowed access to said material, based on anything solely moral/personal and not scientific/medical, should be heavily punished and or shut down and licenses suspend revoked etc." I was assuming this was the case. Any woman over the age of 17 is legally allowed to access plan B. They gain that access by going to the pharmacy counter and the pharmacist must then write a prescription for it. I took your comment to mean that because women are legally allowed to get plan B that every pharmacist must give them the medication and write the prescription for one.

    Also, just because someone has a prescription doesn't mean a pharmacist is (or should be) forced to fill that prescription under their license. We turn away people we suspect of being drug addicts and don't fill their oxy's or methadone. A pharmacist in many states (where the law isn't backwards) may also refuse to fill abortifacients based on their moral convictions. A patient doesn't have the right to force someone to go against their ethical values in order to preform a non-necessary function of their practice. A woman can't demand that any doctor preform an abortion on her, much the same way no one should force a pharmacist to fill drugs that they have deep ethical convictions about. When it comes to life necessary medications I agree with you. But things like birth control or abortifacients I do not agree with. I don't support degrading the profession and forcing individuals to use their license as nothing more than dispensary slaves because a person believes that the drug unethically kills another human or if they disagree with contraception.
    sigh. . . . .
    more examples above and beyond what I am saying that have no real meaning

    but something caught my eye, so I will oblige you

    "dispensary slaves"

    besides a pharmacist's medical/scientific training and yes I agree protecting themselves or others (druggies) from harm they are in fact dispensary slaves. PERIOD

    If they disagree with that then IMO they have no business being a public pharmacist its that simple. Choose something else where discrimination is legal.

    read this again slow.

    If I have a prescription for any drug what so ever and that public pharmacist has it in stock and the ability to give it to me

    AND

    theres no reason to think im a druggie
    theres no reason to think it might interfere with my other drugs etc etc IE(medical/scientific opinions)


    then they better give me my meds or face the penalty of infringing on my rights.

    They have no right what so ever to do so you personal/moral ethic and opinions of what is non-necessary is meaningless and has no place in the decision to give me my meds. This in fact is discrimination and infringes on my rights and the true degradation would be the one being made on an american citizen.

    A pharmacists personal morals are meaningless to me and the American public, you keep those at home where they belong and dont try to force them on me or simple pick a job other than a PUBLIC pharmacist.

    Otherwise where does this BS reason to illegally discriminate stop? it has no place in the public realm.
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    Re: 1 in 5 Pharmacies Hinders Teens' Access to 'Morning-After' Pill: Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    sigh. . . . .
    more examples above and beyond what I am saying that have no real meaning

    but something caught my eye, so I will oblige you

    "dispensary slaves"

    besides a pharmacist's medical/scientific training and yes I agree protecting themselves or others (druggies) from harm they are in fact dispensary slaves. PERIOD

    If they disagree with that then IMO they have no business being a public pharmacist its that simple. Choose something else where discrimination is legal.

    read this again slow.

    If I have a prescription for any drug what so ever and that public pharmacist has it in stock and the ability to give it to me

    AND

    theres no reason to think im a druggie
    theres no reason to think it might interfere with my other drugs etc etc IE(medical/scientific opinions)


    then they better give me my meds or face the penalty of infringing on my rights.

    They have no right what so ever to do so you personal/moral ethic and opinions of what is non-necessary is meaningless and has no place in the decision to give me my meds. This in fact is discrimination and infringes on my rights and the true degradation would be the one being made on an american citizen.

    A pharmacists personal morals are meaningless to me and the American public, you keep those at home where they belong and dont try to force them on me or simple pick a job other than a PUBLIC pharmacist.

    Otherwise where does this BS reason to illegally discriminate stop? it has no place in the public realm.
    And so, who are you to infringe upon the pharmacists rights as an individual and autonomy as a professional? Some states have adopted Conscience Clauses which allow a pharmacist to deny a medication based on their ethical beliefs without any kind of disciplinary action from the law or their employer. Forcing a pharmacist to dispense an abortifacient drug would be similar to walking up to any gynecologist and forcing them to preform an abortion at an appointment date and to refuse would be denying a patient their legal healthcare service.

    Pro-life pharmacists and future pharmacists like myself view abortifacients for the use of terminating an unwanted pregnancy and not for the life of the mother to be harmful drugs. They aid in the killing of another human being. A pharmacist can deny medications that are harmful for the fetus of a pregnant woman (and if they make an error the pharmacist can be in trouble). As autonomous healthcare professionals and individuals pharmacists should be able to (and in many states can) chose to deny filling a prescription based on their ethical/moral/religious grounds. You can't walk up to a physician and complain of pain and force them to write you a script for pain medication. The physician has autonomous authority over what they chose to prescribe. You can't walk up to a nurse and force her to give your kid their injection, and you as a patient don't have the right to dictate your morals upon someone else and force an autonomous practitioner to do things that are not in line with their beliefs.
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    Re: 1 in 5 Pharmacies Hinders Teens' Access to 'Morning-After' Pill: Study

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    And so, you are you to infringe upon the pharmacists rights as an individual and autonomy as a professional? Some states have adopted Conscience Clauses which allow a pharmacist to deny a medication based on their ethical beliefs without any kind of disciplinary action from the law or their employer. Forcing a pharmacist to dispense an abortifacient drug would be similar to walking up to any gynecologist and forcing them to preform an abortion at an appointment date and to refuse would be denying a patient their legal healthcare service.

    Pro-life pharmacists and future pharmacists like myself view abortifacients for the use of terminating an unwanted pregnancy and not for the life of the mother to be harmful drugs. They aid in the killing of another human being. A pharmacist can deny medications that are harmful for the fetus of a pregnant woman (and if they make an error the pharmacist can be in trouble). As autonomous healthcare professionals and individuals pharmacists should be able to (and in many states can) chose to deny filling a prescription based on their ethical/moral/religious grounds. You can't walk up to a physician and complain of pain and force them to write you a script for pain medication. The physician has autonomous authority over what they chose to prescribe. You can't walk up to a nurse and force her to give your kid their injection, and you as a patient don't have the right to dictate your morals upon someone else and force an autonomous practitioner to do things that are not in line with their beliefs.
    SIGH more nonparallel examples

    you will always lose this battle because what you want to do is put YOUR morals above others and that is always a losing battle LMAO

    sorry If any laws that "sorta" protect this stuff I hope are struck down soon and should be, its blantant disgusting discrimination thats id never support ever. LMAO

    I support no discrimination in this case at all because its complete pompous, arrogant, ignorant, hypocritical BS if its done by an . american. its disgraceful.

    I guess Ill open a public pharmacy tomorrow and my religion A says that all members of religion B (your religion) are sinners and I must not help any members of religion B or I will be committing a sin capable of damning my soul. I guess based on this you would think its ok for me to never give you any service based on an I qoute my personal "moral/religious grounds" WOuld this be ok? how is this not blatant discrimination?

    sorry digs in america that will always be complete BS, if people have a problem doing their jobs pick a different one or one that doesnt put you in the public realm its that simple.
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    Re: 1 in 5 Pharmacies Hinders Teens' Access to 'Morning-After' Pill: Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    SIGH more nonparallel examples

    you will always lose this battle because what you want to do is put YOUR morals above others and that is always a losing battle LMAO

    sorry If any laws that "sorta" protect this stuff I hope are struck down soon and should be, its blantant disgusting discrimination thats id never support ever. LMAO

    I support no discrimination in this case at all because its complete pompous, arrogant, ignorant, hypocritical BS if its done by an . american. its disgraceful.

    I guess Ill open a public pharmacy tomorrow and my religion A says that all members of religion B (your religion) are sinners and I must not help any members of religion B or I will be committing a sin capable of damning my soul. I guess based on this you would think its ok for me to never give you any service based on an I qoute my personal "moral/religious grounds" WOuld this be ok? how is this not blatant discrimination?

    sorry digs in america that will always be complete BS, if people have a problem doing their jobs pick a different one or one that doesnt put you in the public realm its that simple.
    You're not being rational and you aren't addressing my arguments. As an autonomous practitioner my morals apply just like in other healthcare areas. The most recent case comes from Washington, where a federal court ruled that a pharmacist has the right to deny emergency contraception based on their views. From my perspective abortion is unlawful killing. As a future medical practioner I view taking abortifacients for the purpose of terminating an unwanted pregnancy to be unhealthy and fetal for the fetus and thus not medically sound. A patient shouldn't be forced to make a healthcare practitioner do anything that isn't necessary for their life. Patients have rights, practitioners have rights. I have freedom of religion and freedom of practicing in good conscience. A patient has freedom to go to another pharmacy and have their legally written prescription filled by a pharmacist who will do so.
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    Re: 1 in 5 Pharmacies Hinders Teens' Access to 'Morning-After' Pill: Study

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    You're not being rational and you aren't addressing my arguments. As an autonomous practitioner my morals apply just like in other healthcare areas. The most recent case comes from Washington, where a federal court ruled that a pharmacist has the right to deny emergency contraception based on their views. From my perspective abortion is unlawful killing. As a future medical practioner I view taking abortifacients for the purpose of terminating an unwanted pregnancy to be unhealthy and fetal for the fetus and thus not medically sound. A patient shouldn't be forced to make a healthcare practitioner do anything that isn't necessary for their life. Patients have rights, practitioners have rights. I have freedom of religion and freedom of practicing in good conscience. A patient has freedom to go to another pharmacy and have their legally written prescription filled by a pharmacist who will do so.
    you can spin it how ever you like but Im being totally rational. Im addressing MY posts and YOUR counters DIRECTLY HEAD O. instead of side stepping them.

    the bottom line is you want a public pharmacists to have the right to discriminate, I however, do not.

    Theres is no room for BS discrimination in the public realm, all your talk about "force" is nonsense, there is no force nor am I saying there should be.

    Im saying if you cant play by the rules you dont get to play.

    You want to allow discrimination I do not, no other way to say it.

    DO you think my example of discrimination was ok?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    you can spin it how ever you like but Im being totally rational. Im addressing MY posts and YOUR counters DIRECTLY HEAD O. instead of side stepping them.

    the bottom line is you want a public pharmacists to have the right to discriminate, I however, do not.

    Theres is no room for BS discrimination in the public realm, all your talk about "force" is nonsense, there is no force nor am I saying there should be.

    Im saying if you cant play by the rules you dont get to play.

    You want to allow discrimination I do not, no other way to say it.

    DO you think my example of discrimination was ok?
    Gotta disagree with you on this one, Objective. As long as the pharmacist directs the customer to someone who WILL fill the prescription, I have no issue with an individual pharmacist acting on his morals. It would be like a gay couple going for couples counseling... to a therapist who rejects GM and gay relationships as sinful. As long as they give the couple names of people who would treat them, there is nothing wrong with what that individual does, ethically.
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    Re: 1 in 5 Pharmacies Hinders Teens' Access to 'Morning-After' Pill: Study

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Gotta disagree with you on this one, Objective. As long as the pharmacist directs the customer to someone who WILL fill the prescription, I have no issue with an individual pharmacist acting on his morals. It would be like a gay couple going for couples counseling... to a therapist who rejects GM and gay relationships as sinful. As long as they give the couple names of people who would treat them, there is nothing wrong with what that individual does, ethically.
    The difference here I think CC is that a pharmacist is generally public. A counsular is not. There is a world of difference imo between a public buisness and a private buisness.

    Peoples arguments in this thread remind me of the whole controversy with muslim cashiers at grocery stores refusing to run pork and beer through their check out stands because it goes against their moral code. IMO anyone that holds a public service job or company has no right to force their values upon those that use their services. If I was the boss of a public company and one of my employee's refused to do something because of personal moral values then that person would be fired for not being able to do their job fully.
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    Re: 1 in 5 Pharmacies Hinders Teens' Access to 'Morning-After' Pill: Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    1 in 5 Pharmacies Hinders Teens' Access to 'Morning-After' Pill: Study - Yahoo! News

    The pharmacies giving misinformation and/or outright lying need to be published.

    I'd boycott them and hope that others would too.
    With a number as low as 3% I'm inclined to believe these pharmacists were just confused or wrong, as opposed to knowingly lying about the rules. Just like the young lady who is there to pick up and actually consume the pill itself, these pharmacists made a mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The difference here I think CC is that a pharmacist is generally public. A counsular is not. There is a world of difference imo between a public buisness and a private buisness.

    Peoples arguments in this thread remind me of the whole controversy with muslim cashiers at grocery stores refusing to run pork and beer through their check out stands because it goes against their moral code. IMO anyone that holds a public service job or company has no right to force their values upon those that use their services. If I was the boss of a public company and one of my employee's refused to do something because of personal moral values then that person would be fired for not being able to do their job fully.
    A pharmacy is a private business. If it is the policy of that business to NOT sell these types of medications, then there is no issue with them doing that. If that is NOT the business's policy and the pharmacist refuses to fill the prescription, he/she should be fired. If the pharmacist owns the business, he/she can decide to not carry or sell the drug if he/she chooses.
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