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    Re: 1 in 5 Pharmacies Hinders Teens' Access to 'Morning-After' Pill: Study

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Sure. And those enumerated powers are elastic. Madison spoke about this in Federalist 44. He discussed for other ways this clause could have been expressed, all more rigidly, and why they would not have worked.
    Elastic inside what I said earlier. Why does it being elastic all of sudden mean it can stretch so that the original intent is no longer followed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Elastic inside what I said earlier. Why does it being elastic all of sudden mean it can stretch so that the original intent is no longer followed?
    The breadth of the enumerated powers are what are elastic thought the Necessary and Proper Clause. Original intent is followed.
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    Re: 1 in 5 Pharmacies Hinders Teens' Access to 'Morning-After' Pill: Study

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The breadth of the enumerated powers are what are elastic thought the Necessary and Proper Clause. Original intent is followed.
    There is a post you didn't respond to that shows otherwise.

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    Re: 1 in 5 Pharmacies Hinders Teens' Access to 'Morning-After' Pill: Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    There is a post you didn't respond to that shows otherwise.
    That post doesn't address the Necessary and Proper Clause. That's what I'm discussing, here.
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    Re: 1 in 5 Pharmacies Hinders Teens' Access to 'Morning-After' Pill: Study

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    That post doesn't address the Necessary and Proper Clause. That's what I'm discussing, here.
    It does indirectly.

    And as I said: "the necessary and proper clause only allows the government to enact laws necessary to carry out the enumerated powers."

    This has nothing to do with expanding clauses like you are saying it does, but only to make it so the government has the ABILITY to carry out the enumerated powers. How does this even get close to the lie of the living constitution idea?
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    Re: 1 in 5 Pharmacies Hinders Teens' Access to 'Morning-After' Pill: Study

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Objective... did you ever find the law that indicates it is discriminatory to NOT sell a product to someone based on race or religion?
    no cant say i did, i actually didnt even look, did you see the post where I said that maybe they used the state license loop hole in the case that happened locally.

    I did try to find info on that though but they were specific, they were more like "info" "opinion" pieces on way its wrong and happy he was shut down, no real info.

    I will eventually look though
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    Re: 1 in 5 Pharmacies Hinders Teens' Access to 'Morning-After' Pill: Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    another long post that does absolutely nothing to change the fact that abortion is NOT murder LMAO

    this is not fantasy land, there are facts and then there are opinions LMAO

    luckily in this country you are free to have the opinion abortion is murder but that opinion is factually wrong LMAO
    Ok, in your opinion it is not. Under current law, since murder is used to define an illegal action and abortion is legal, then yes, it is not currently classed as murder. My arguement presented factual information and a logic chain as to why it should be considered murder. You are of course free to ignore that, but just because your opinion is different does not prove your opinion is fact either.

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    aslo for the record just to add insult to your injury, saying a ZEF is a person is also just your opinion LMAO

    thanks IM glad you gave me your opinion, you are free to have it, ill stick with facts
    What is a ZEF as I have never seen or heard that term before, but I assume you are refering to stage commonly called a zygote. You are quick to point out somehting is not factual, but you present no arguement other than your opinion that it is not factual. I presented the kown scientific facts that lead me to the conclusion that a zygote is a person. While my identifying a zygote as a person is my opinion, that opinion is based upon science. What scientific fact leads you to the conclusion that a "ZEF" is not a person? Other than your opinion that what I said was not fact, what other arguement can you present that counters what I said?
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    Re: 1 in 5 Pharmacies Hinders Teens' Access to 'Morning-After' Pill: Study

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    1.)Ok, in your opinion it is not. Under current law, since murder is used to define an illegal action and abortion is legal, then yes, it is not currently classed as murder. My arguement presented factual information and a logic chain as to why it should be considered murder. You are of course free to ignore that, but just because your opinion is different does not prove your opinion is fact either.



    2.)What is a ZEF as I have never seen or heard that term before, but I assume you are refering to stage commonly called a zygote. You are quick to point out somehting is not factual, but you present no arguement other than your opinion that it is not factual. I presented the kown scientific facts that lead me to the conclusion that a zygote is a person. While my identifying a zygote as a person is my opinion, that opinion is based upon science. What scientific fact leads you to the conclusion that a "ZEF" is not a person? Other than your opinion that what I said was not fact, what other arguement can you present that counters what I said?

    1.)it has absolutely nothing to do with my OPINION, my opinion is 100% MEANINGLESS in this debate

    the FACT is abortion is NOT murder, my opinion, just like yours is meaningless to this fact

    sorry you dont understand the difference between opinion and fact LMAO your opinion is FACTUALLY wrong

    and your "logic" is just more subjective nonfactual opinion

    2.) a ZEF is a medical acronym meaning Zygote, Embryo, Fetus.

    Person has a definition and you provided NO facts at all to make a zygote a person, NONE

    but you are right, you present how YOU come to the conclusion (your opinion) that a zygote is a person but that is not factually, its your opinion still LMAO

    you dont seem to have a grasp of what a fact is at all. You posting how YOU came to a opinion is not a fact lol

    my proof that a zygote is not a person are dictionaries and the definition of the word PERSON.

    Person which is a subjective word from dictionary to dictionary, definition to definition most certainly is not a fact that a zygote is a person. You may get lucky and find a definition that sorta fits but in other cases youll find definitions that dont allow the connection at all.

    The problem is because YOU make it work in YOUR head with YOUR own logic and subjective OPINIONS you think that makes it a fact.

    Thats simply not how facts work.

    also just for some more FACTS, even if you could make some loose connection until the law recognizes a ZEF as a person its still meaningless to the word murder and the fact that abortion isnt murder
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    Re: 1 in 5 Pharmacies Hinders Teens' Access to 'Morning-After' Pill: Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.)it has absolutely nothing to do with my OPINION, my opinion is 100% MEANINGLESS in this debate

    the FACT is abortion is NOT murder, my opinion, just like yours is meaningless to this fact

    sorry you dont understand the difference between opinion and fact LMAO your opinion is FACTUALLY wrong

    and your "logic" is just more subjective nonfactual opinion

    2.) a ZEF is a medical acronym meaning Zygote, Embryo, Fetus.

    Person has a definition and you provided NO facts at all to make a zygote a person, NONE

    but you are right, you present how YOU come to the conclusion (your opinion) that a zygote is a person but that is not factually, its your opinion still LMAO

    you dont seem to have a grasp of what a fact is at all. You posting how YOU came to a opinion is not a fact lol

    my proof that a zygote is not a person are dictionaries and the definition of the word PERSON.

    Person which is a subjective word from dictionary to dictionary, definition to definition most certainly is not a fact that a zygote is a person. You may get lucky and find a definition that sorta fits but in other cases youll find definitions that dont allow the connection at all.

    The problem is because YOU make it work in YOUR head with YOUR own logic and subjective OPINIONS you think that makes it a fact.

    Thats simply not how facts work.

    also just for some more FACTS, even if you could make some loose connection until the law recognizes a ZEF as a person its still meaningless to the word murder and the fact that abortion isnt murder

    Then explain why a pregnant woman who is murdered, the murderer is charged with 2 murders?


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    Re: 1 in 5 Pharmacies Hinders Teens' Access to 'Morning-After' Pill: Study

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Then explain why a pregnant woman who is murdered, the murderer is charged with 2 murders?


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    if you know the law you already know the answer,

    1.)it is not ALWAYS double murder

    2.) if YOU actually knew and understood the law its is a very specific situation like a hate crime or date rape. Its a situation where the law is written to give extra punishment to the criminal nothing more

    it also has absolutely ZERO impact on the fact that "abortion" is not murder LMAO I have no clue how you could ever make the false logical guess that it did.

    stop watching tv its also rare LOL
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