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    Re: Obama tells Medvedev he'll have 'more flexibility' after election

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    You are asking way too much of people here to do that. But this is a good test of who has their head on straight. People who consider this a big deal are largely 1) Ignorant 2) Stupid 3) Partisan. People who don't give a **** about this generally 1) Educated about US politics 2) Educated about historical US politics 3) Sane.
    Who has their head on straight? Don't you mean people who agree with you (and who think no more deeply than either/or)?

    It's possible to see this open-mic slip with humor, understanding both that stuff happens to everybody and that perhaps the comment was revealing and worthy of speculation.

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    Re: Obama tells Medvedev he'll have 'more flexibility' after election

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    You are asking way too much of people here to do that. But this is a good test of who has their head on straight. People who consider this a big deal are largely 1) Ignorant 2) Stupid 3) Partisan. People who don't give a **** about this generally 1) Educated about US politics 2) Educated about historical US politics 3) Sane.
    That is a pretty partisan statement.
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    Re: Obama tells Medvedev he'll have 'more flexibility' after election

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    That is a pretty partisan statement.
    You forgot arrogant and asinine.

    Yes, the political process affects foreign nogotiations, but to signal foreign opposition (yes, Russia still opposes on many of our foreign policy goals) that he will negotiate differently after the election signals the other side that they can press for more concessions afterwards and that Obama will probably give in. Thats detrimental to US goals and aims. Any way you slice this was a bad mistake to be heard and it was a mistake on Obama's part to say it at all.

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    Re: Obama tells Medvedev he'll have 'more flexibility' after election

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Benny is a liar though. He promised to stop the building of illegal settlements which was the key point in the peace deal with Fatah. Want to know how many more illegal settlements are being built now?
    IMO, Prime Minister Netanyahu, is as honest as any other politician and maybe more than some. The two Presidents were caught acting like to school kids name calling and complaining about having to deal with PM Netanyahu. Smacks of something a little unsavory to me.

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    Re: Obama tells Medvedev he'll have 'more flexibility' after election

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    That is a pretty partisan statement.
    Not at all. Bush Jr made some pretty funny comments when he thought the mic was off. I never gave him crap for that. Ever. HW wrote a whole article on the dangers of the open mic.

    Stuff like this happens to all modern presidents. The worst **** is when people harp on things that are inherently obvious, such as what Obama said. Basically if you couldn't figure out that a 2nd term president has more flexibility, you need to go back to 5th grade civics class. As for Benny being a liar, well I can't expect most people here to actually understand the Middle East peace process and all its obstacles.
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    Re: Obama tells Medvedev he'll have 'more flexibility' after election

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    You forgot arrogant and asinine.
    Good luck defending that.

    Yes, the political process affects foreign nogotiations,
    Correction. The political process is the foreign negotiation process.

    but to signal foreign opposition (yes, Russia still opposes on many of our foreign policy goals) that he will negotiate differently after the election signals the other side that they can press for more concessions afterwards and that Obama will probably give in.
    And this differs from the past 5 presidents how?

    Thats detrimental to US goals and aims. Any way you slice this was a bad mistake to be heard and it was a mistake on Obama's part to say it at all.
    You act like this is any different then Dubya, Clinton, HW or Reagan. It's not. And you know better.
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    Re: Obama tells Medvedev he'll have 'more flexibility' after election

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    IMO, Prime Minister Netanyahu, is as honest as any other politician and maybe more than some. The two Presidents were caught acting like to school kids name calling and complaining about having to deal with PM Netanyahu. Smacks of something a little unsavory to me.
    You failed to address the point being made entirely.
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    Re: Obama tells Medvedev he'll have 'more flexibility' after election

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Who has their head on straight? Don't you mean people who agree with you (and who think no more deeply than either/or)?

    It's possible to see this open-mic slip with humor, understanding both that stuff happens to everybody and that perhaps the comment was revealing and worthy of speculation.
    And it's another entirely to go off saying that Obama will entirely capitulate. Obama essentially told Medevdev something he already knew. What is disturbing is that Medevdev probably knows more about US presidential realities then many hacks here.

    Furthermore, anyone who actually understands missile defense knows that what we have could never stop a Russian attack. Hell, all they really need is 5 or 6 missiles with multiple MRVs and decoy balloons and we're basically screwed. Honestly, we SHOULD scrap the entire thing. If Iran or North Korea really want to hit us, they'd do it via panel van. A missile is the last intelligent method of attacking the US. It's a heck of a lot cheaper to build 5 nukes and deliver them by panel van then build one nuke and spend the rest on a missile that could get shot down by a patriot missile battery.
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    Re: Obama tells Medvedev he'll have 'more flexibility' after election

    Obama's meaning was sooooo oooobvious!! He was telling Medvedev that after the election he would have time to enroll in yoga classes so he could become more flexible!
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Obama tells Medvedev he'll have 'more flexibility' after election

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    You failed to address the point being made entirely.
    I don't know, nor do you know, that "Benny" is a liar. And knowing the number of settlements built and how that question/answers or relates to Obama and Medvedev talking about "flexibility", was a little deeper conversation than I'm up for. But if you see some sort of relationship, you can start another thread on that subject.

    I, on the other hand was addressing the silliness of the 2 presidents, which is important to me, since 1 of them represents this country.

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