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    Re: Obama tells Medvedev he'll have 'more flexibility' after election

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    "President Obama assured Russian President Dmitry Medvedev Monday that he'd have "more flexibility" after the November election, during a conversation that appeared to focus on the touchy issue of missile defense."

    Wonder what this flexibility is that he'll have after he wins a 2nd term? On a clear day the President can see forever.[/QUOTE]

    No, but from Alaska he can see Russia

    Pretty dumb for our President to think he is a sure winner for a second term.
    The "story" isn't about Obama's hubris.. Come on, seriously, no ne gets this? The STORY is about Obama making political quid pro quo deals with the security of the American people and her allies in Europe! This is Chicago politics at its finest, and ALL American's should be worried about what Obama has planned for our missle defense system if elected for a second term. Let me ask you this. If elected what do you suppose this flexibility would mean for us, you and me? Do you think this flexibility gives Russia what it wants, or what we want for our security? Ask yourself that question honestly, and apply it to ANY situation you yourself have been in where you ask for a favor, it is given, and you repay that favor later on..

    Obama doesn't care about us, you or me, not even as an abstract thought. He cares about power, and getting re-elected. We're all too stupid to know what's good for us in the long term. Don't you get it?



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    Re: Obama tells Medvedev he'll have 'more flexibility' after election

    No, the correct question you should be asking yourself is, "Do I actually get it, or am I giving a knee-jerk reaction without cause or historical understanding?"

    You do realize that these conversations have occurred with all Presidents, right? If you want more contemporary examples, study up on the Cold War talks. Each President has to deal with elections or other domestic concerns interfering with potential options the President has, almost all of which are not harmful to your country and may in fact actually be in favor of your country.
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    Re: Obama tells Medvedev he'll have 'more flexibility' after election

    Well, obviously Obama was telling the Russian president that after he's re-elected, he'll scrap the missle defense system in Europe so that Russia can invade and occupy all the east-block nations and rise to power and glory as the Union of Soviet Socialist Republic Part Deux... but only if Russia creates a superpac for him and stuffs it with lots of money. I mean, duh. Obvious.



    You guys jump to conclusions much?

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    Re: Obama tells Medvedev he'll have 'more flexibility' after election

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Joking, right/

    Yep, as if Obama has done so well.
    You do realize that the guys running against Obama are a religious nut sack and a wishy washy so-called-Liberal that Conservatives can't stand. Correct? You may as well be running that KKK guy in Idaho and Reagan's rotting body.
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    Re: Obama tells Medvedev he'll have 'more flexibility' after election

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    No, the correct question you should be asking yourself is, "Do I actually get it, or am I giving a knee-jerk reaction without cause or historical understanding?"

    You do realize that these conversations have occurred with all Presidents, right? If you want more contemporary examples, study up on the Cold War talks. Each President has to deal with elections or other domestic concerns interfering with potential options the President has, almost all of which are not harmful to your country and may in fact actually be in favor of your country.
    uh huh, sure...

    Putin knows he wouldn't get anywhere near what he wants if a Republican is elected (Yes even Romney is miles above Obama on national defense) and since Putin is the incomming President of Russia he's forcing Pbama's hand now rather than later. Obama, feeling the heat is "begging" for more time, and assuring Putin that if he gives him that time, and since it's a foregone conclusion that he will be re-elected under normal circumstances, he (Obama) will be in a much better position to be the one to do the talking for America after 2012, BUT, if Putin forces his hand in this election year, he will have to take a more principled stand against dissmantling the missle defense in Europe, and they both risk not getting what they want politically. THAT is quid pro quo..

    Now, Putin, if he decides to give the President that time, really can't lose on this "deal". If he gives him that time, and the President loses the election, then he's in the same spot anyway since if he forces Obama's hand now, he can't possibly get what he wants out of Obama because even Obama isn't that stupid, and despite his ideology on nuclear weapons, and missile defense systems, the President MUST move to the right, and Putin ends up not getting anytihing. However, if he gives Obama the "space" he is asking for now, he has a favor to call in if the Presidnet wins the 2012 elections.

    American's, cept the nutty one's, are all pretty much right of center when it comes to national defense. Obama can't make deals with Putin that compromise that reality if he expects to be re-elected. If that isn't playing political games with our national security I do NOT know how else one would define it? Politics is politics, yeah I get it, but not when it comes to things like this, and no matter how the LSM will try and spin this over the next few days, THAT is exactly what Obama was caught doing on the open mic! HIS re-election was MORE important than addressing the missile defense issue with the authority and conviction that MOST American's expect out of their leader. All Obama had to say was that America will continue to protect its allies in the region, and honor those committments to peace and security, and these issues are not negotiable at ANY time. Done!


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    Re: Obama tells Medvedev he'll have 'more flexibility' after election

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Well, obviously Obama was telling the Russian president that after he's re-elected, he'll scrap the missle defense system in Europe so that Russia can invade and occupy all the east-block nations and rise to power and glory as the Union of Soviet Socialist Republic Part Deux... but only if Russia creates a superpac for him and stuffs it with lots of money. I mean, duh. Obvious.



    You guys jump to conclusions much?
    No jumping to anything.. Obama's already scrapped one missile defense system, why wouldn't he scrap another one? I mean, ok, well at least this time he could actually get something in return, like oh I dunno a peanut butter sandwhich, becasue even that would have been more than he got for scrapping the last one..

    Look, even if Obama were somehow savvy enough (Unlikely as most world leaders IMO view the President as perhaps our weakest ever) to get Russia and China on board with Iran in exchange for scrapping the Missile defense system, he still has to sell that to the American people, and even more so to her allies on exactly why that would be more important than a nuclear armed Iran, or preventing Israel from attacking them before sanctions (Real ones) took effect. Or, if not that, then sure the Super PAC thingy could make sense. Not sure where you got super pac out of what I was saying but well, ok then?


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    Re: Obama tells Medvedev he'll have 'more flexibility' after election

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    "President Obama assured Russian President Dmitry Medvedev Monday that he'd have "more flexibility" after the November election, during a conversation that appeared to focus on the touchy issue of missile defense."

    Wonder what this flexibility is that he'll have after he wins a 2nd term? On a clear day the President can see forever.[/QUOTE]


    No, but from Alaska he can see Russia

    Pretty dumb for our President to think he is a sure winner for a second term.
    Well, well, well. So you're gonna bring up Sarah Palin. Really, really, really long reach but you've won a star for large gonnies and then it is immediately taken away and replaced with the "Oh No He Didn't" award. Tell me do you lay awake at night wondering what she's doing, thinking or saying? Hey, but if you like to hate that much, I'm not going to stop you. Carry on.

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    Re: Obama tells Medvedev he'll have 'more flexibility' after election

    I don't even like S. Palin.
    I was making a sarcastic remark on the quote "On a clear day the President can see forever."
    It makes as much sense as SP quote I refered to.
    Obama may get a second term. He may not. We will know after the election.
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    Re: Obama tells Medvedev he'll have 'more flexibility' after election

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I don't even like S. Palin.
    I was making a sarcastic remark on the quote "On a clear day the President can see forever."
    It makes as much sense as SP quote I refered to.
    Obama may get a second term. He may not. We will know after the election.
    Okay. Excuse my rash come back. I see so much drivel on here about her, when the real issues get left in the dust.

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    Re: Obama tells Medvedev he'll have 'more flexibility' after election

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Okay. Excuse my rash come back. I see so much drivel on here about her, when the real issues get left in the dust.
    We are fine.
    Its an election year,. Some will jump on any little slip. I do think he could have worded things better. Just state their is not enough time to get things through Congress before the election. If I get a second term, we will have more time....
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