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Obama tells Medvedev he'll have 'more flexibility' after election

tecoyah said:
Compared to our last President?

Basically, Obama (Like every other two term president), WILL have more flexibility in his final term. No one knows what he means by his statement, but considering the relationship we seem to have with Russia, I think I will trust my President to know a bit more than I do.
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I think the question is: What did he mean by flexibility? More power? More control - believing he win back the House?
 
jambalaya said:
Try judging people on their own merit rather than using the crutch of how bad someone else might be. Bush isn't in charge. Obama is in charge. Move on.
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Might I point out that my statement was in reply to your own indication that the current President has a poor record on foreign policy?

Do you base this evaluation on the Merits of his actions?

Does using a basis of comparison (Previous Leaders record), take away from, or validate my comment?

And Lastly...are these not "Feathers in a Cap"?

BROAD POLICY:
Re-established the United States standing in the world. ref, ref, ref
Poll: World’s opinion of U.S. has “improved sharply” under Obama. ref
47 nations rise to Obama’s challenge at US nuke summit and agree to four years of non-proliferation efforts. ref
Visited more countries and world leaders than any first year president. ref
G-20 Summit produced a $1.1 trillion deal to combat the global financial crisis. ref
Launched an international Add Value to Agriculture initiative (AVTA). ref
Created a rapid response fund for emerging democracies. ref
Bolstered the military’s ability to speak different languages. ref
BY REGION:
West Hem: Returned the rights of Americans to visit and assist their families in Cuba. ref , ref , ref
Middle East: Appointed envoys to the Middle East and AFPAK affirming the power of American diplomacy. ref
Middle East: Renewed loan guarantees for Israel. ref
Middle East: Pledged $400 million in aid to Gaza civillians. ref
Middle East: Pressured Israel to end Gaza blockade. ref
Middle East: Refused to give Israel a “green light” to strike Iran, augmenting Mid-East stability. ref
Middle East: Iran Sanctions Act. ref
Asia: Authorized President Bill Clinton’s mission to secure the release of two Americans held in North Korea. ref
Asia: Authorized discussions with Myanmar and mission by Sen. Jim Webb to secure the release of an American held captive. ref
Asia: Renewed import restrictions under Burmese Freedom and Democracy Act of 2003. ref
Asia: Nuclear arms agreements with India (5/4/2010). ref
Africa: Lord’s Resistance Army Disarmament and Northern Uganda Recovery Act of 2009. ref
Africa: Helped stabilize Somalia (Exec Order). ref
Aus: Nuclear arms agreements with Australia (5/5/2010). ref
Europe: Nuclear arms agreement with Russia. ref , ref, ref, ref
Europe: Agreed with Switzerland to bolster tax information exchange

Oh...and theres that Osama Dead thingy too.

Obama Administration’s Achievements (Thus Far) » Obama's Achievements Center


 
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tecoyah said:
Might I point out that my statement was in reply to your own indication that the current President has a poor record on foreign policy?

Do you base this evaluation on the Merits of his actions?

Does using a basis of comparison (Previous Leaders record), take away from, or validate my comment?

And Lastly...are these not "Feathers in a Cap"?

BROAD POLICY:
Re-established the United States standing in the world. ref, ref, ref
Poll: World’s opinion of U.S. has “improved sharply” under Obama. ref
47 nations rise to Obama’s challenge at US nuke summit and agree to four years of non-proliferation efforts. ref
Visited more countries and world leaders than any first year president. ref
G-20 Summit produced a $1.1 trillion deal to combat the global financial crisis. ref
Launched an international Add Value to Agriculture initiative (AVTA). ref
Created a rapid response fund for emerging democracies. ref
Bolstered the military’s ability to speak different languages. ref
BY REGION:
West Hem: Returned the rights of Americans to visit and assist their families in Cuba. ref , ref , ref
Middle East: Appointed envoys to the Middle East and AFPAK affirming the power of American diplomacy. ref
Middle East: Renewed loan guarantees for Israel. ref
Middle East: Pledged $400 million in aid to Gaza civillians. ref
Middle East: Pressured Israel to end Gaza blockade. ref
Middle East: Refused to give Israel a “green light” to strike Iran, augmenting Mid-East stability. ref
Middle East: Iran Sanctions Act. ref
Asia: Authorized President Bill Clinton’s mission to secure the release of two Americans held in North Korea. ref
Asia: Authorized discussions with Myanmar and mission by Sen. Jim Webb to secure the release of an American held captive. ref
Asia: Renewed import restrictions under Burmese Freedom and Democracy Act of 2003. ref
Asia: Nuclear arms agreements with India (5/4/2010). ref
Africa: Lord’s Resistance Army Disarmament and Northern Uganda Recovery Act of 2009. ref
Africa: Helped stabilize Somalia (Exec Order). ref
Aus: Nuclear arms agreements with Australia (5/5/2010). ref
Europe: Nuclear arms agreement with Russia. ref , ref, ref, ref
Europe: Agreed with Switzerland to bolster tax information exchange

Oh...and theres that Osama Dead thingy too.

Obama Administration’s Achievements (Thus Far) » Obama's Achievements Center
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Does nothing to refute what you said and your comparison to Bush. I offered no comparison to anyone else. I could put up a list of innocuous foreign policy "Achievements" from any President's own "Achievement Center". Congratulations for posting a list from a "Pat Obama on the back web site". Obama Achievement Center? Really?
 
jambalaya said:
Does nothing to refute what you said and your comparison to Bush. I offered no comparison to anyone else. I could put up a list of innocuous foreign policy "Achievements" from any President's own "Achievement Center". Congratulations for posting a list from a "Pat Obama on the back web site". Obama Achievement Center? Really?
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Yeah, I should have used FOX news for something positive n our President. Reality check....no matter the source, these are things that actually happened and go far in addressing your post about his record. Also, I clearly stated my reasoning in comparison, that you seem unable to grasp said reasoning does not make it invalid.

If you can look at this information, and tell me it "Does to refute what you said"...then we are at an impasse due to you refusal to accept reality.

Hell, the simple fact Obama had the balls to kill Osama after Bush said he didn't matter is enough
 
tecoyah said:
Yeah, I should have used FOX news for something positive n our President. Reality check....no matter the source, these are things that actually happened and go far in addressing your post about his record. Also, I clearly stated my reasoning in comparison, that you seem unable to grasp said reasoning does not make it invalid.

If you can look at this information, and tell me it "Does to refute what you said"...then we are at an impasse due to you refusal to accept reality.

Hell, the simple fact Obama had the balls to kill Osama after Bush said he didn't matter is enough
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I can look at the information/website you posted and say - "They hired a great publicist to put the 'atta boy' list together".
 
Billy the Kid said:
I can look at the information/website you posted and say - "They hired a great publicist to put the 'atta boy' list together".
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Yes....you can. Thus removing all doubt this is not an actual debate.

There is such a thing as reality, those who cannot accept truth usually have an agenda. Those with agenda become blind to truth...those blind to truth do not debate, they argue.
 
tecoyah said:
Yes....you can. Thus removing all doubt this is not an actual debate.

There is such a thing as reality, those who cannot accept truth usually have an agenda. Those with agenda become blind to truth...those blind to truth do not debate, they argue.
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How would you like me to post an Obama site with a "what a loser list" from a biased site and call it fact? I'm sure there are plenty out there. Agenda? Tell me why you posted this site? You had an agenda to point out President Obama's accomplishments in an attempt to refute the thread topic: Obama tells Medvedev he'll have 'more flexibility' after election
 
Billy the Kid said:
Fox News - Breaking News Updates | Latest News Headlines | Photos & News Videos

"President Obama assured Russian President Dmitry Medvedev Monday that he'd have "more flexibility" after the November election, during a conversation that appeared to focus on the touchy issue of missile defense."

Wonder what this flexibility is that he'll have after he wins a 2nd term? On a clear day the President can see forever.
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I havent read the article yet but im not sure what the issue is here?

His confidence? no
I mean I may not agree but theres nothing wrong with confidence and looking at what the GOP is putting against him it almost seems like they want him to win

The fact that he WILL have more flexibility once re-elected? no
this is true for any elected official. He will in fact have more flexibility.
 
Hicup said:
No jumping to anything.. Obama's already scrapped one missile defense system, why wouldn't he scrap another one? I mean, ok, well at least this time he could actually get something in return, like oh I dunno a peanut butter sandwhich, becasue even that would have been more than he got for scrapping the last one.. :)

Look, even if Obama were somehow savvy enough (Unlikely as most world leaders IMO view the President as perhaps our weakest ever) to get Russia and China on board with Iran in exchange for scrapping the Missile defense system, he still has to sell that to the American people, and even more so to her allies on exactly why that would be more important than a nuclear armed Iran, or preventing Israel from attacking them before sanctions (Real ones) took effect. Or, if not that, then sure the Super PAC thingy could make sense. :) Not sure where you got super pac out of what I was saying but well, ok then?


Tim-
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I don't know what you're going on about or why. My post was sarcastic and directed at no one in particular. I certainly wasn't talking to you, because until I saw you'd quoted my post I hadn't read anything you said in this thread.
 
DiAnna said:
I don't know what you're going on about or why. My post was sarcastic and directed at no one in particular. I certainly wasn't talking to you, because until I saw you'd quoted my post I hadn't read anything you said in this thread.
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he likes to assume and make up arguments he THINKS people have its a common MO of his.

the fact is making anything of this is definitely jumping to conclusions, ones based on nothing but guesses and its funny that he did it with your post also the way he did it with this. Common MO in deed. ;)
 
mike2810 said:
Joking, right/:lol:

Yep, as if Obama has done so well.
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What he done there is no jobs for every one ? There is no health protection ? how he will elect for nest time
 
Billy the Kid said:
How would you like me to post an Obama site with a "what a loser list" from a biased site and call it fact? I'm sure there are plenty out there. Agenda? Tell me why you posted this site? You had an agenda to point out President Obama's accomplishments in an attempt to refute the thread topic: Obama tells Medvedev he'll have 'more flexibility' after election
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Obviously the best way to respond to it would be to address the factual claims, rather than restricting yourself to purely ineffective ad hominem.
 
AdamT said:
Obviously the best way to respond to it would be to address the factual claims, rather than restricting yourself to purely ineffective ad hominem.
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I did. Evidently not to his/her or your liking. Oh well.
 
A real president, and a real man for that matter, would do his job according to what's needed regardless of it being an election year or not.
 
Erod said:
A real president, and a real man for that matter, would do his job according to what's needed regardless of it being an election year or not.
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A real President still needs the cooperation of Congress.
 
Billy the Kid said:
I did. Evidently not to his/her or your liking. Oh well.
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You Did?

Was it this~ "I can look at the information/website you posted and say - "They hired a great publicist to put the 'atta boy' list together".

Or this~ "How would you like me to post an Obama site with a "what a loser list" from a biased site and call it fact? I'm sure there are plenty out there. Agenda? Tell me why you posted this site? You had an agenda to point out President Obama's accomplishments in an attempt to refute the thread topic: Obama tells Medvedev he'll have 'more flexibility' after election"

I must have missed it.....
 
tecoyah said:
You Did?

Was it this~ "I can look at the information/website you posted and say - "They hired a great publicist to put the 'atta boy' list together".

Or this~ "How would you like me to post an Obama site with a "what a loser list" from a biased site and call it fact? I'm sure there are plenty out there. Agenda? Tell me why you posted this site? You had an agenda to point out President Obama's accomplishments in an attempt to refute the thread topic: Obama tells Medvedev he'll have 'more flexibility' after election"

I must have missed it.....
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And that's exactly what you did. You posted an "atta boy" web list on President Obama's accomplishments from a biased site, yes? I asked if I could do the same utilizing a anti-Obama site and call it truth.
 
Billy the Kid said:
And that's exactly what you did. You posted an "atta boy" web list on President Obama's accomplishments from a biased site, yes? I asked if I could do the same utilizing a anti-Obama site and call it truth.
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I must be a bit slow, as I did not notice you asking me to post Anti-Obama info that was true:

It’s hard to think of a president that has been more of an Epic Failure than President Obama. Even Carter is glad this guy came along, so at least he knows he is no longer the worst president ever. Here is just a short list of Obama’s Failures:

Hawaii is in Asia -I dont remember this one
Passing on the keystone pipeline. -Mostly true
Touts a Green Energy Company as exemplary that fails a year later. -True
Using the Gulf Oil Spill to promote Green Energy – instead of cleaning it up. -untrue
Thinking the Tea Party is a passing fad – or that they are racists. -untrue
Pulling out of Iraq with no clear victory over insurgent forces. -true
Trying to re-write history through speeches – with inaccurate information (i.e. Statue of Liberty) untrue
Getting a Nobel Prize for being the most ineffective President in the history of the United States, though some say it was for his pigment. --untrue
Putting all legislation on the Internet for five days before it comes to a vote. -true
Returning the bust of Churchill to the Brits. -true
Giving a collection of DVDs to the British PM. -No idea what this is about
Denying the notion of American Exceptionalism. -untrue
Promising to close Gitmo — failing to do so. -true
Securing the Olympics for Chicago in 2016. -true
Naming numerous Communists/Socialists/Progressives to his various Czar positions and then watching them scurry for cover when Beck begins to call them out, forcing them to resign. -untrue
Government races for NJ, VA and the Senate Seat in Mass. -true
The midterm elections, which Obama himself called a shellacking. -true
Prediction that stimulus would ensure that unemployment doesn’t exceed 8%. -true
Bowing to just about everybody. -untrue
Proposing amnesty for illegal aliens to increase the population of voters for Democrat elections -untrue
He said, I have visited 57 states. Now there is just 1 left to visit -true

http://obamalies.net/list-of-obamas-failures

There 'ya go....now, perhaps you might do the same for the list I posted?
 
tecoyah said:
I must be a bit slow, as I did not notice you asking me to post Anti-Obama info that was true:

It’s hard to think of a president that has been more of an Epic Failure than President Obama. Even Carter is glad this guy came along, so at least he knows he is no longer the worst president ever. Here is just a short list of Obama’s Failures:

Hawaii is in Asia -I dont remember this one
Passing on the keystone pipeline. -Mostly true
Touts a Green Energy Company as exemplary that fails a year later. -True
Using the Gulf Oil Spill to promote Green Energy – instead of cleaning it up. -untrue
Thinking the Tea Party is a passing fad – or that they are racists. -untrue
Pulling out of Iraq with no clear victory over insurgent forces. -true
Trying to re-write history through speeches – with inaccurate information (i.e. Statue of Liberty) untrue
Getting a Nobel Prize for being the most ineffective President in the history of the United States, though some say it was for his pigment. --untrue
Putting all legislation on the Internet for five days before it comes to a vote. -true
Returning the bust of Churchill to the Brits. -true
Giving a collection of DVDs to the British PM. -No idea what this is about
Denying the notion of American Exceptionalism. -untrue
Promising to close Gitmo — failing to do so. -true
Securing the Olympics for Chicago in 2016. -true
Naming numerous Communists/Socialists/Progressives to his various Czar positions and then watching them scurry for cover when Beck begins to call them out, forcing them to resign. -untrue
Government races for NJ, VA and the Senate Seat in Mass. -true
The midterm elections, which Obama himself called a shellacking. -true
Prediction that stimulus would ensure that unemployment doesn’t exceed 8%. -true
Bowing to just about everybody. -untrue
Proposing amnesty for illegal aliens to increase the population of voters for Democrat elections -untrue
He said, I have visited 57 states. Now there is just 1 left to visit -true

List of Obama’s Failures | Barack Obama Lies

There 'ya go....now, perhaps you might do the same for the list I posted?
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Now feel better. I do, since you did what I asked if you'd like me to do. So thanks for looking up and posting an opposing list.
 
Billy the Kid said:
Now feel better. I do, since you did what I asked if you'd like me to do. So thanks for looking up and posting an opposing list.
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So now it's your opportunity to respond in kind, rather than restricting yourself to pure ad hominem, as you've been doing. :popcorn2:
 
AdamT said:
So now it's your opportunity to respond in kind, rather than restricting yourself to pure ad hominem, as you've been doing. :popcorn2:
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Why? He posted a "good job Obama" list from a pro-Obama website. I said I could get a "bad job Obama" list from a anti-Obama thread. He did both thus proving my point. Now munch you snack and be happy.
 
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Billy the Kid said:
Why? He posted a "good job Obama" list from a pro-Obama website. I said I could get a "bad job Obama" list from a anti-Obama thread. He did both thus proving my point. Now munch you snack and be happy.
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You did not ask me to do so...you said~
"How would you like me to post an Obama site with a "what a loser list" from a biased site and call it fact? I'm sure there are plenty out there. Agenda? Tell me why you posted this site? You had an agenda to point out President Obama's accomplishments in an attempt to refute the thread topic: Obama tells Medvedev he'll have 'more flexibility' after election"

However, I inferred you wished to see it, and provided.

Now, I simply asked you do the same for the post that started this little hijack.
 
Billy the Kid said:
Why? He posted a "good job Obama" list
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Why? Because ad hominem is a ****ty form of argument. And if you don't understand that you're a freakin' moron. ;)
 
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