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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Except that "get away with it" means "not get sick and need care," not get away with freeloading. That's the only way it makes sense in his post.
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    You show that you don't understand "adverse selection" and its application to insurance pools. It is not sick people that avoid purchasing health insurance, it is healthy ones that can get away without it.
    ... which I interpret to mean get away without "health insurance". That doesn't mean that group never has heath problems, it means if they're healthy (i.e., young people with no major conditions) they don't buy insurance. Whether they end up being "freeloaders" or not is a matter of statistics. Statistically, some of those people will get seriously ill, have accidents, and/or develop a major medical condition like diabetes or high blood pressure and be unable to pay for treatment out-of-pocket.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The car insurance argument really isn't equatable. You are only forced to buy car insurance if you drive a car (A license to drive a car is a state issued privilege based on an individuals abilities, this license can be revoked if the law is broken). Every living adult woukd be forced to buy health insurance. Driving is not a right, living is. States can regulate the legality of driving and mandate that people have insurance in order to cover damages to another person's vehicle, the governemt is wanting to force all living adults to purchase a product or be fined.
    I'm afraid the insurance thing; which I'm sure has variations around the country is a precendent of exactly what the issue is: a government mandate to purchase. I'll be very surprised if tha issue is not brought up.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Oh, please. You know how much you weasel and misrepresent things. There's no way you don't. So no, I don't find your word on your own activity terribly credible.
    I know that constantly throw around idiotic accusations that you can never ever back up, which is a lovely quality to have.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I'm afraid the insurance thing; which I'm sure has variations around the country is a precendent of exactly what the issue is: a government mandate to purchase. I'll be very surprised if tha issue is not brought up.

    Only comparable if HC is kicked back to the states where it belongs.


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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    His post ...
    ... which I interpret to mean get away without "health insurance". That doesn't mean that group never has heath problems, it means if they're healthy (i.e., young people with no major conditions) they don't buy insurance. Whether they end up being "freeloaders" or not is a matter of statistics. Statistically, some of those people will get seriously ill, have accidents, and/or develop a major medical condition like diabetes or high blood pressure and be unable to pay for treatment out-of-pocket.
    He knows that. He's being intentionally obtuse (and dishonest), which is another of his endearing qualities.
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    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    His post ...
    ... which I interpret to mean get away without "health insurance". That doesn't mean that group never has heath problems, it means if they're healthy (i.e., young people with no major conditions) they don't buy insurance. Whether they end up being "freeloaders" or not is a matter of statistics. Statistically, some of those people will get seriously ill, have accidents, and/or develop a major medical condition like diabetes or high blood pressure and be unable to pay for treatment out-of-pocket.
    If a healthy person can "get away without" something, I don't see how this means anything other than they don't need it, especially when it's put in contrast with someone who's sick and does need it. If they don't need it, it's because they don't have anything they need paid for, and if they have nothing they need paid for, then they're not "freeloading" in any sense.

    That sentence does not say "get away without it" in the sense that they're "freeloaders."
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    He knows that. He's being intentionally obtuse (and dishonest), which is another of his endearing qualities.
    Heh. Like accusing others of your own faults.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I know that constantly throw around idiotic accusations that you can never ever back up, which is a lovely quality to have.
    Except that I've pointed out your weaseling, equivocations, and strawmen on many occasions, and you know I have, so there you go again, I guess.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    If a healthy person can "get away without" something, I don't see how this means anything other than they don't need it, especially when it's put in contrast with someone who's sick and does need it. If they don't need it, it's because they don't have anything they need paid for, and if they have nothing they need paid for, then they're not "freeloading" in any sense.

    That sentence does not say "get away without it" in the sense that they're "freeloaders."
    If you're looking at it from the insurance company's side they most certainly are "getting away" - and that doesn't mean not getting sick or injured, it means not paying an insurance premium. Whether they end up as freeloaders or not is a matter of statistics.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    If you're looking at it from the insurance company's side
    Why would I need to look at it from that side?
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