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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Of course you do.
    I do. At the end of they day, one view will win and one will lose. But it will be part of the question.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It is overwhelmingly likely [...]
    Does not make it a fact.


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    And the only facts we will be given about the decision and what was or was not considered are the Court's opinions after the decision is made.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I do. At the end of they day, one view will win and one will lose. But it will be part of the question.
    This will be the question:

    the Constitutional question is whether or not the government can force one private party to enter into a binding contract with another private party?
    Whether or not something will be considered as part of the answer is beside the point. It will be the question.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

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    Does not make it a fact.

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    And the only facts we will be given about the decision and what was or was not considered are the Court's opinions after the decision is made.
    Yet you freely state that it's "not the question" as though it IS fact.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    This will be the question:
    Can the federal government charge a tax penalty if someone can afford health insurance but won't buy it?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yet you freely state that it's "not the question" as though it IS fact.
    I stated it just as freely as you did.


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    Had I posted in response to YOUR post the response would have been different since it would not have been the same post. Most people on this site do not post, demand, or expect court procedures to be followed. I understand you're an exception to that rule. When I respond to your posts I will generally adhere to your belief but I will not adhere to your interpretation of how posts should be worded if I don't respond to you. I prefer to discuss the issue as a whole, not make a mountain out of a molehill. I understand lawyers often prefer the opposite. Have fun with that.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    This will be the question:



    Whether or not something will be considered as part of the answer is beside the point. It will be the question.
    It will be part of the question. As they are already engaged, the question is whether we can make them have to have a method for paying for it or not. We've been through this haven't we?

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It will be part of the question. As they are already engaged, the question is whether we can make them have to have a method for paying for it or not. We've been through this haven't we?
    Yes, and saying they're "already engaged in commerce" is just as dumb now as it has been all along.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I stated it just as freely as you did.
    Of course. But I didn't get smarmy about it. You did.


    Ed:
    Had I posted in response to YOUR post the response would have been different since it would not have been the same post. Most people on this site do not post, demand, or expect court procedures to be followed. I understand you're an exception to that rule. When I respond to your posts I will generally adhere to your belief but I will not adhere to your interpretation of how posts should be worded if I don't respond to you. I prefer to discuss the issue as a whole, not make a mountain out of a molehill. I understand lawyers often prefer the opposite. Have fun with that.
    No idea what this little whinefest has to do with.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Can the federal government charge a tax penalty if someone can afford health insurance but won't buy it?
    We've already been through this; you decided to tuck tail and run rather than respond to it.

    If they can, it's separately-delegated power. This is a commerce clause question, not a tax question.
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