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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Of course I do -- it's plain as day. Scalia cited a "cornhusker kickback" which isn't in the final bill -- but which gets frequent airplay from ignorant conservative radio and TV personalities.
    And you just ignored the part where you were a) wrong about that b) (surprise!) hypocritical when it comes to your standards on "expertise."
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    The entire law was not in question. Can you, along with him, understand that the crux of the Constitutional question is whether or not the government can force one private party to enter into a binding contract with another private party?
    That's not the question. The question is whether those people are already part of the health care system or not. If you can walk into virtually any ER in the country and demand treatment then it seems you already are part of the system. Requiring you to buy insurance to keep that need isn't forcing participation, it's forcing payment for it.


    But as I've said before, if some people want to opt out of the system for their entire life then I don't have a problem with that. I personally don't want to go back to leaving people parked just inside the ER door while they die from lack of funds but if that's what it takes for some people to be happy then I can accept that. It's their choice, they just have to make up their mind now, not later. I've been paying into the system for 30 years. I don't want to pay extra because you decided you didn't want to pay until you were old and/or dying.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    That's not the question.
    No, in fact, that IS the question.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    And you just ignored the part where you were a) wrong about that b) (surprise!) hypocritical when it comes to your standards on "expertise."
    Yeah, except that I was absolutely right that the cornhusker kickback was not in the bill, and Scalia's comment made it crystal clear that he was talking about a Nebraska-only provision. The inability to admit obvious error is a real character flaw.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yeah, except that I was absolutely right that the cornhusker kickback was not in the bill
    No, it was in the bill, and passed in the bill. It was expanded to all of the states in reconciliation.

    I explained this once; it's inexcusable that you continue to be ignorant on it.


    and Scalia's comment made it crystal clear that he was talking about a Nebraska-only provision.
    He was referring to the popular term for it.


    The inability to admit obvious error is a real character flaw.
    What error? My argument comes down to this: you said that Scalia's referring to the cornhusker kickback means he gets his information from Fox News, not from the law, because it's not in the law.

    But it is -- it was never removed, only expanded -- and you didn't know it still was, thus your pronouncements as to where Scalia gets his information are laughable.

    I never even bothered to point out the prima facie juvenility of such a statement about where Scalia gets his infromation in the first place, but I'll do so now.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    If you look through history to a time when the prevailing government of <insert country here> purposely didn't attempt to educate the masses and purposely didn't help with healthcare........

    And exactly what country are you talking about that doesn't educate the masses and help with healthcare?
    The reason that I put "<insert country here>" is because you could point to any of them and my statement would be true.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, in fact, that IS the question.
    That's the way the opposition has framed it but it's not the underlying question. When we decided to force any ER that received or wanted to receive government money to accept any patient in need of medical care, everybody was made part of the system. ~$60/mo is damn cheap for emergency medical insurance.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    That's the way the opposition has framed it but it's not the underlying question.
    It is overwhelmingly likely that it is, indeed, the question upon which the Court will rule. It may not be the question you'd rather they rule on, but nonetheless . . .
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It is overwhelmingly likely that it is, indeed, the question upon which the Court will rule. It may not be the question you'd rather they rule on, but nonetheless . . .
    I think MoSurveyor is correct, part of the answer will have to answer whether people are already part of the system or not. His point is well taken.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I think MoSurveyor is correct, part of the answer will have to answer whether people are already part of the system or not. His point is well taken.
    Of course you do.
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