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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    From the oral arguments yesterday:

    JUSTICE SCALIA: Well, he's assessing and collecting it in the same manner as a tax.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    CNN Legal Analyst Jeffrey Toobin said that it was a rough day for the Obama administration, as lawyers worked to defend the Obamacare's individual mandate.

    "This was a train wreck for the Obama administration," Tobin said. "This law looks like it's going to be struck down. I'm telling you, all of the predictions including mine that the justices would not have a problem with this law were wrong."

    Tobin said that U.S. Solicitor General David Verrilli was woefully inprepared in his defense.


    CNN: Today was a 'train wreck' for Obamacare | Campaign 2012 | Washington Examiner

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Thus whatever I would be mandated to carry, I like wouldn't be able to afford it either "at my age" (I really hate that phrase ...).
    If you're single and earn $44k or less, or married and earn $88k or less you may qualify for a subsidy under AHCA. Also, you may be able to get a more affordable policy when (or if) health care exchanges are set up.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Let's hope that the mandate is struck... the toothless law then must be restructured. Maybe 3 times is the charm and we can get something that will reduce costs without jeopardizing care, that would be nice.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    IMHO our SCOTUS actually only has ONE judge, Mr. Kennedy. His reaction is the only one that counts for anything. The other 8 ultra-partisan hacks will split 4/4 on everything. Kennedy seems to be a reasonable man, slightly favoring the Repunantcans but open minded. As for Constitutional issues - hah, what Constitution?

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    "The ninth justice, conservative Clarence Thomas who is expected to vote against the law, asked no questions. He has not asked a question from the bench for more than six years."


    Is anyone surprised? This intellectual lightweight is nothing more than deadspace.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Let's hope that the mandate is struck... the toothless law then must be restructured. Maybe 3 times is the charm and we can get something that will reduce costs without jeopardizing care, that would be nice.
    I join you in that hope. The Republican mandate idea was implemented as a compromise to the public option. Hopefully this will ressurrect the public option or even open the door to single payer which are both substantially better than the POS that the bluedogs and Republicans gave us by refusing to consider a better alternative.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I join you in that hope. The Republican mandate idea was implemented as a compromise to the public option. Hopefully this will ressurrect the public option or even open the door to single payer which are both substantially better than the POS that the bluedogs and Republicans gave us by refusing to consider a better alternative.
    It's not going to. This is liberal vs. conservative here and if the liberals lose this, no way they win the public option for generations to come.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    CNN is freaking out, lol.

    Blitzer is about to piss himself, and Tobin looks like he just had his woobie taken away.

    No mandate......start over. And the public option ain't happening. People already overhwhelmingly hate this plan; they'll riot over a public option idea.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    People already overhwhelmingly hate this plan; they'll riot over a public option idea.
    Yeah, a whopping 47% of the people overwhelmingly hate it. To 44% who like it. OVERWHELMING!!

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/152969/Am...up%20Headlines

    And I wouldn't get too too excited about the oral argument. While it's not sounding great for Obama, you never know whether a justice is asking a question because he or she is really skeptical or because he or she's leaning your way and just wants you to firm up his support.
    Last edited by AdamT; 03-27-12 at 04:44 PM.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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