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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    When the legislature passed this bill, most had not read it. So how do you figure they have any more of an idea of what they are talking about?
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    There's no excuse for anyone involved not reading.
    It's impossible to read it critically. Too many references/citations to myriad other laws and codes. No one has all that memorized and getting through it would take years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It's also painfully obvious that Scalia is taking cues from right-wing media and not the law itself. In the argument he made a snide remark about the "cornhusker kickback", which was a proposal to provide extra Medicaid funding for Nebraska. It was suggested as a way to get Ben Nelson's vote. The only problem is, it didn't make it into the final bill. He would know that if he or his clerks had read the bill, but not if they were getting your "research" from Fox News.
    It wasn't removed. It was extended to all states, not just Nebraska.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    When the legislature passed this bill, most had not read it. So how do you figure they have any more of an idea of what they are talking about?
    It's not about politicans; nice try . . . It's about the Supreme Court, allegedly a much more responsible group of people . . . And of course, right-wing Scalia shows us how dedicated he is to our constitution and what will or won't pass muster . . .
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It wasn't removed. It was extended to all states, not just Nebraska.
    No, it was removed.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, it was removed.
    Only in the sense that it was specific to Nebraska. The exact same thing survived, only going to all the states.

    Nelson to oppose reconciliation package, cites student lending - TheHill.com

    Nelson, who supported the Senate healthcare bill in December, was criticized for a $100 million in Medicaid funding for Nebraska that was included in the bill to win his support. The "Cornhusker Kickback" would be removed with the passage of the reconciliation package.

    Conservative critics attacked the Medicaid provision and it became a political football in the healthcare debate. House Democrats balked at passing the Senate healthcare bill because it included the provision.

    Nelson later asked Democratic leaders to remove the controversial language, explaining that he asked for it to serve as a legislative placeholder to help other states win extra Medicaid funding.

    The reconciliation bill provides additional federal funding of Medicaid for all states compared to the Senate bill.

    “I am pleased to see the Nebraska Medicaid provision is extended to all states,” Nelson said after learning of the decision in February. “I have said all along that the federal government needs to either fully fund the new Medicaid costs for states, or to un-mandate the requirement on state budgets.”
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Only in the sense that it was specific to Nebraska.
    The fact that it was restricted to Nebraska is precisely what made it "the cornhusker kickback".
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The fact that it was restricted to Nebraska is precisely what made it "the cornhusker kickback".
    That was simply the press appellation. Now it's everyone's kickback, and it's in the law.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    It's impossible to read it critically. Too many references/citations to myriad other laws and codes. No one has all that memorized and getting through it would take years.

    It's like selling you a needle and delivering it inside a haystack. Wanna buy it or don't you?
    I don't think that's true. Someone wrote it, and understood what they were writing. Lawyers write and interpret this type of thing all the time.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    It's not about politicans; nice try . . . It's about the Supreme Court, allegedly a much more responsible group of people . . . And of course, right-wing Scalia shows us how dedicated he is to our constitution and what will or won't pass muster . . .
    So you think because a justice will not read the whole bill, he is not 'dedicated' to the Constitution.

    But legislators who do not read the whole bill, but pass it, and a president that does not read the whole bill but signs it into law ARE 'dedicated' to the constitution?

    Pretty amazing spin.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That was simply the press appellation. Now it's everyone's kickback, and it's in the law.
    The context here is that Scalia talked about about the "cornhusker kickback" in oral arguments, when there is no cornhusker kickback in the bill. If it doesn't just benefit Nebraska then, by definition, it isn't "the cornhusker kickback."

    FYI, it isn't necessarily a bad thing if the federal government does something that all the states like.
    Last edited by AdamT; 04-03-12 at 05:58 PM.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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