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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I say it's a matter of how you look at the situation. When I think "world" in terms of humans and their settlements I pretty much ignore the oceans even though they cover 3/4 of the Earth. No cities, towns, or villages out there - just yachts, some cruise ships, and a few aircraft carriers that really count.


    Our quibble over words is moot anyway. County/city hospitals exist in large metropolitan areas as well as rural areas, which was the whole issue in the post you originally quoted.
    Actually, the number one rated trauma center in the United States is Ben Taub Hospital, here in Houston. It's owned and run by Harris County. And it is so good that, when a cop is shot or otherwise injured, that hospital is where he is taken, not any of the private hospitals, even if one is closer.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Actually, the number one rated trauma center in the United States is Ben Taub Hospital, here in Houston. It's owned and run by Harris County. And it is so good that, when a cop is shot or otherwise injured, that hospital is where he is taken, not any of the private hospitals, even if one is closer.
    Many county hospitals do become experts depending on their history. Ours is asthma/respiratory (closest hospital to the old industrial sector) and obstetrics, esp. pre-mature babies.


    KU Med Center also has a very good trauma center.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Many county hospitals do become experts depending on their history. Ours is asthma/respiratory (closest hospital to the old industrial sector) and obstetrics, esp. pre-mature babies.


    KU Med Center also has a very good trauma center.


    UT Southwestern is in the top 5% of heart transplant centers with a 100% survival rate the the first year out.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Do you have some kind of support for your assertions that all the other Justices are having their clerks read the law, and Scalia isn't? 'Coz the little blurb you linked to says nothing of the kind.
    Here's the source story: Justices to lawyers: Don't make us read the law - Politico Staff - POLITICO.com

    It shows that other justices are quite willing to put in the time to read the 2700 page bill, but Scalia is quoted as saying he wants "what's easy for him".

    So, it appears that what's in a bill being proposed to the country doesn't matter to Scalia; the only thing that matters is what Scalia wants to talk about . . .

    Very bad.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Here's the source story: Justices to lawyers: Don't make us read the law - Politico Staff - POLITICO.com

    It shows that other justices are quite willing to put in the time to read the 2700 page bill, but Scalia is quoted as saying he wants "what's easy for him".

    So, it appears that what's in a bill being proposed to the country doesn't matter to Scalia; the only thing that matters is what Scalia wants to talk about . . .

    Very bad.
    Bullsh.

    It is not the job of the Court to try and piece together and salvage a bill that is invalid because it violates the commerce clause and is unconstitutional to begin with.

    The Supreme Court isn't supposed to be re-writing bills.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Here's the source story: Justices to lawyers: Don't make us read the law - Politico Staff - POLITICO.com

    It shows that other justices are quite willing to put in the time to read the 2700 page bill, but Scalia is quoted as saying he wants "what's easy for him".

    So, it appears that what's in a bill being proposed to the country doesn't matter to Scalia; the only thing that matters is what Scalia wants to talk about . . .

    Very bad.
    To be honest from reading the oral arguements it appears like none of the Justices read the whole law. They even jokingly refer to the 8th amendment when they thought that one of the lawyers suggested that they do read the whole thing. (sorry, names are not my strong suit and I don't feel like looking it up again, but it was in the transcript of the 3rd day arguements)

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Bullsh.

    It is not the job of the Court to try and piece together and salvage a bill that is invalid because it violates the commerce clause and is unconstitutional to begin with.

    The Supreme Court isn't supposed to be re-writing bills.
    Boy, am I glad that you don't decide on the constitutionality of anything.

    It is a fiduciary reposibility of any supreme court justice to read and comprehend any matter that applies to [u]anything[/i] that has an effect on The US Constitution. I think your argument is profoundly weak and based on nothing but political propoganda rather than anything factual or reasonable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Boy, am I glad that you don't decide on the constitutionality of anything.

    It is a fiduciary reposibility of any supreme court justice to read and comprehend any matter that applies to [u]anything[/i] that has an effect on The US Constitution. I think your argument is profoundly weak and based on nothing but political propoganda rather than anything factual or reasonable.
    So you contend that SCOTUS should dissect and reassemble bills with unconstitutional provisions so that they're Constitutional?

    I don't think so. I think they uphold or overturn lower courts' decisions.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    That requires the federal gov to tell state govs to **** themselves and ignore the 10th
    I should have made it clear that "the government" in this context meant the federal government. We can discuss the states' roles if you wish.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Which would just put people in worse situation than they are now. On both counts. No thanks.
    Why do you believe that operating "health care" under free market principals would provide a different result than every other kind of good or service? Where do you find your wisdom on this issue?

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