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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I believe that a lot of crap will be sold, but remember, those who need the most will not be able to afford any policy that would actually help them enough to cover costs. A high deductible would be of little help as they wouldn't ba able to afford that (though the real plan many promote is do away with third party payers altogether).

    And if there is no insurance, as some argue, then there is no plan to get. Both lead to a significant number without health care.
    You see it one way. I see the opposite. Given that the free market tends to work to provide a very wide variety of goods and services with a large number of price points I see no reason why health care would be any different.

    When the people have to pay they will shop. When they don't have to pay they don't care what it costs.

    When did you first begin to believe that your neighbor should have to pay for the things you want?

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    How many times do YOU have to be told that the health care industry is anything but a free market?
    That's doesn't mean ****, okay. We're not socialist yet, despite your best efforts to make us so. The government is deeply involved in healthcare, and always has been as far back as any of us.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    You see it one way. I see the opposite. Given that the free market tends to work to provide a very wide variety of goods and services with a large number of price points I see no reason why health care would be any different.

    When the people have to pay they will shop. When they don't have to pay they don't care what it costs.

    When did you first begin to believe that your neighbor should have to pay for the things you want?
    The free market cannot work with the way we have everything set up in the healthcare department.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Actually they did ask why the bill was so big. Though not in so many words.
    Great; I'd love to know what the answer was.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Those to. I was thinking more along the lines of the districts though because they affect private hospitals also.
    Okay, well, I'm not sure I follow you . . . I was talking about the country hospital system alone. It's been with the US for a long long time: I believe that in the old days, that's all there was. I know that when I was about 4, I got my tonsils out at the county hospital - about, 1961.

    I don't know about the district connection you're making.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    A tax credit is just an incentive. It would help those that have insurance and because of that it would encourage people to get insurance. Because it is an incentive there is still a choice. A mandate requires people to get insurance period, no choice in the matter. As such they are not the same. Not even close to the same.

    But I do agree with you that it would be Constitutional.
    Its funny though, as they could raise taxes by 700 and then give a credit for those with insurance. It amounts to the exact same thing, yet one is constitutional and the other is not. Its odd how legalities work sometimes.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    I believe he's referring to the exclusion of the severability clause in the bill itself.
    Can you elaborate on that please?
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The truth is that they could replace the mandate with a tax credit like the one in the Ryan budget. It would do exactly the same thing and it would be 100% constitutional.
    Thanks. Ya'know on the constitutional issue of the mandate; in California, 'ya can't drive a car without buying insurance, and employers of, what? 50 or more I think, are mandated to supply health insurance, so I think this thing's gonna fly.

    Personally . . . I think that health insurance should be as easily affordable as car or home insurance: life insurance, in fact all insurance companies are taking our money on a bet that nothing's going to happen: think about that. I also don't think that employers should be required to furnish health insurance; and this from a retired Teamster nontheless!! I think that all these mandates and rules have just made the entire thing too expensive.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Okay, well, I'm not sure I follow you . . . I was talking about the country hospital system alone. It's been with the US for a long long time: I believe that in the old days, that's all there was. I know that when I was about 4, I got my tonsils out at the county hospital - about, 1961.

    I don't know about the district connection you're making.
    Post 778 explains what I mean by districts.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Its funny though, as they could raise taxes by 700 and then give a credit for those with insurance. It amounts to the exact same thing, yet one is constitutional and the other is not. Its odd how legalities work sometimes.
    I understand what you're saying so I can agree with you.
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