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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Where are these "state sponsored" hospitals you're talking about?
    They're known as "county hospitals". The idea of single payer has been aroud a lot longer than people may think.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    and have you read the whole bill and understand it completely?

    I will admit I have read sections, but there is no way I read every page.
    I'm not the one making the national decision on the constitutionality of a proposed bill. Scalia et al are. They have a fiduciary responsibility to know what they are talking about; just as though a man's life were on trial . . . (It's not about the question: it's about the duties of the supreme court). And secondly, I wonder why not one them asked why this bill has to be 2700 pages in the first place?
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Do you have some kind of support for your assertions that all the other Justices are having their clerks read the law, and Scalia isn't? 'Coz the little blurb you linked to says nothing of the kind.
    I am trying to source that quote now. I heard it in a report on the radio . . . If I cannot source it, then I will certainly retact it.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I'm not the one making the national decision on the constitutionality of a proposed bill. Scalia et al are. They have a fiduciary responsibility to know what they are talking about; just as though a man's life were on trial . . . (It's not about the question: it's about the duties of the supreme court). And secondly, I wonder why not one them asked why this bill has to be 2700 pages in the first place?
    Actually they did ask why the bill was so big. Though not in so many words.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    They're known as "county hospitals". The idea of single payer has been aroud a lot longer than people may think.
    Those to. I was thinking more along the lines of the districts though because they affect private hospitals also.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I'm not sure what you're trying to say here: you don't like the mandate, that's easy, but what about "the law is gone"?
    I believe he's referring to the exclusion of the severability clause in the bill itself.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I'm not sure what you're trying to say here: you don't like the mandate, that's easy, but what about "the law is gone"?
    The truth is that they could replace the mandate with a tax credit like the one in the Ryan budget. It would do exactly the same thing and it would be 100% constitutional.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The truth is that they could replace the mandate with a tax credit like the one in the Ryan budget. It would do exactly the same thing and it would be 100% constitutional.
    A tax credit is just an incentive. It would help those that have insurance and because of that it would encourage people to get insurance. Because it is an incentive there is still a choice. A mandate requires people to get insurance period, no choice in the matter. As such they are not the same. Not even close to the same.

    But I do agree with you that it would be Constitutional.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So all you have is anecdotal impressions.... That's convincing.
    Yeah, I guess factual reality can be considered 'anecdotal impressions' if you don't like what that reality shows.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    WTF are you talking about? There are no federal hospitals unless you're talking about the VA?
    You have seriously never heard of a local hospital owned by a city or county?
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