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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So do I. And that is not my experience.
    It is not my 'experience', it is the reality of all those places.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    There is a difference between a private doctor and a hospital that is state sponsored. A private doctor will more than likely have a small clinic at best. A hospital on the other hand will get buisness regardless because it is state sponsored. As are ambulances who pick up all the emergency cases and bring them to the nearest state sponsored hospital.

    The reason that there are doctors that go the private route is because they can get more money. If they realize that they can start making more money via a state sponsored hospital then private doctors will dry up.

    Most doctors that work in state sponsored hospitals do so for a couple of reasons. 1: They don't have the money to start up their own clinic. 2: There are doctors that actually don't care how much they are paid..they just want to help people as much as possible and a state sponsored hospital gets the most buisness.
    Where are these "state sponsored" hospitals you're talking about?
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    If the public option happens, the doctors left will have thinner resumes than the sitting president.
    Right, all the doctors are going to quit to become ... waiters and waitresses?
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    I work in over a dozen hospitals and clinics. I talk to the doctors, I talk to the administrators. In most of them, there is more 'administrative' staff, to keep up with all the paperwork required by regulations, than there is medical staff.
    So all you have is anecdotal impressions.... That's convincing.

    But it does highlight another beautiful feature of single payer. No more multiple insurance forms to fill out. No more figuring out what's covered by which formulary. No more haggling with insurance companies over bills and who's in network and out, or sort of in, and what each option costs. If you go to a doctor's office in France they usually don't even have a receptionist. Don't need one because all the records are electronic and everyone carries a card that contains her complete medical history.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Where are these "state sponsored" hospitals you're talking about?
    Not "state" as in Washington or California. State as in government.

    And they are all over the place.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    They are going to punt on the individual mandate. Since you cannot sue about taxes until after you have gone into effect, and that portion does not go into effect till 2014, they will not rule on that portion. They actually have ~1/3 of the time scheduled to discuss standing on that portion of the suit.
    Interesting, I haven't heard that theory yet. Makes sense though.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Not "state" as in Washington or California. State as in government.

    And they are all over the place.
    WTF are you talking about? There are no federal hospitals unless you're talking about the VA?
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    WTF are you talking about? There are no federal hospitals unless you're talking about the VA?
    Lets put it this way. What competition is there when each hospital has "districts"?

    Much like a police district a hospital serves a certain area and no other hospital does. These districts are, among other things, determined by how quick an ambulance can get from the hospital to its destination.

    So lets say we have 2 hospitals within in 10 miles of each other. Hospital A services 5 of those miles and Hospital B services the other 5 miles. Now lets say that an accident occurs 2 miles away from hospital A. Are the cops going to call Hospital A? Or Hospital B? They are going to call Hospital A of course. Why? Because the ambulance from Hospital A will get there faster than Hospitals B's ambulance would get there. The person/people that got into the accident does not have a say in which hospital to go to...and even if they did they would more than likely want to go to the nearest one.

    That is what I mean by state sponsored hospitals. The state decides where the person goes, not the person.

    Hope this clairfies what I am talking about.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    So who's up for taking John Roberts out for tequila shots and find out how this thing played out?

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Do away with the mandate and the law is gone.

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    I'm not sure what you're trying to say here: you don't like the mandate, that's easy, but what about "the law is gone"?
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