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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    That's not the issue.

    Look, if you think the solution to this runaway cost problem HAS to include every citizen getting every healthcare service he needs whenever he needs it, then you're stuck with our current runaway cost problem, and all you're doing is desperately trying to find someone to pay the mounting tab.

    But if you want to fix the problem, you have to accept the fact that some people will be denied medical care, because they have no money and they're not insured, and cumulatively we can't fund unlimited health care for all forever.

    Option 1 is stick with our current entitlement mentality re: health care. Give everyone everything they need, and then stick the bill on anyone with any money left in the bank.

    Option 2 is reestablish the financial relationship between provider and patient and face the harsh-ass reality that not everyone can be treated--everyone can't have everything.
    Does everyone with insurance coverage now get "every healthcare service he needs whenever he needs it"??? Of course not. At some point either the patient runs out of money or the plan reaches it's limit - or both. Few in America short of The One Percent get everything they need so why continue pretending we will under a government plan?
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Increase the limit. Currently from what I have heard they have a limit on how many licenses they issue. No I have no proof of it but it wouldn't surprise me. I have heard of waiting lists to get licenses.
    its actually the number of accredited medical schools

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Actually most hospitals and rehabilitation centers will work out payment plans with a person whether they have insurance or not.
    Not for people with no hope of paying. Right now they can pass on the loss, they can charge others more, and most have some payers. In the world he speaks of, they wouold have to foot the entire bill. 50 to 70 thousands, espeically as this would be with the person not working, no this would not be feasiable.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not for people with no hope of paying. Right now they can pass on the loss, they can charge others more, and most have some payers. In the world he speaks of, they wouold have to foot the entire bill. 50 to 70 thousands, espeically as this would be with the person not working, no this would not be feasiable.
    The hospitals where I live will take payments as low as $25 per month. Who couldn't make that?
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Yes, they could implement a single payer system, just as they did for SS. I doubt they would have enough support, but they could accomplish it.

    And that is 100% different than forcing private citizens to purchase something from private industry. That you can not see that is telling.

    What ever happened to all the left's bitching about government collusion with private industry? This is clearly such a thing, but they support THIS government/industry collusion.
    Of course single payer is different and it was the one originally put forth - and shot down, twice. That should also answer your last question as well. Forty years of waiting and this is the best that could be done.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its actually the number of accredited medical schools
    Which part are you talking about? Waiting lists for those schools or to get licenses? If its the former then simply increasing limits will work. If its the latter then expanding those schools would work.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The hospitals where I live will take payments as low as $25 per month. Who couldn't make that?
    Well, some wouldn't. But that type of payment really wouldn't pay the bill. So, eventually, something else would have to be done. There is no way we do the number of surgeries we do today and have any significant number paying this way. By brother-in-law, who is a doctor, maintains it is fantasy to beleive we will ever go back to not having third party payers.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Which part are you talking about? Waiting lists for those schools or to get licenses? If its the former then simply increasing limits will work. If its the latter then expanding those schools would work.

    there are far less slots than there are applicants-lots of people turned down could probably pass the boards if they could attend an accredited medical school

    law schools are different. many people can get degrees who will never pass the bar exams in the more competitive states or jurisdictions. Hillary CLinton for example-failed the DC bar exam but passed the far far easier Arkansas exam-one of the reasons why she followed Bill to a state she considered backwards

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    there are far less slots than there are applicants-lots of people turned down could probably pass the boards if they could attend an accredited medical school

    law schools are different. many people can get degrees who will never pass the bar exams in the more competitive states or jurisdictions. Hillary CLinton for example-failed the DC bar exam but passed the far far easier Arkansas exam-one of the reasons why she followed Bill to a state she considered backwards
    Ah, thanks for the clairification.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So, what are my options concerning by pass surgery? How about when my daughter needs major medical from a car accident (months of hospitalization and surgries)? Can I negotiate or barter? Sure, there would be likely more fish oil salesman, and they would likely take advantage of those with no options. But do we really want that?
    Do you believe that in a free market solution there wouldn't be any of a great variety of plans and price points? How is health care as a good or service different from any other?

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