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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Have you all heard the latest? Of course, justice Scalia doesn't want to read the whole bill; the other justices are having their clerks read the entire bill so that the justices know what they're talking about; but not Scalia: he doesn't think that ruling on the constutionality a law presented to the citizens of the United States should include a clear and knowledgeable understanding to effect the US Constitution; just the stuff that Scalia [/i]wants to look at[/i] . . .

    Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia Won't Read Health Care Law

    and the right keeps wronging
    Congress passed, and the president signed the bill, all without reading it. So what's your point?
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Anytime the courts rule against anything someone is for, they whine "judicial activism." Usually it's the rightwingers. Funny how you don't see them whining about the "judicial activism" now.
    If they rule in favor and following the constitution, which is the JOB of a supreme court justice, there is no activism.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm sorry j. But there is an answer there. It is clear we need to why before a better answer cna be given. Your answer didn't expalin it.
    We need to.......What?

    What do Certified Nursing Asst. have to do with this?

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If they vote the other way, will heads explode?
    If they vote the other way, upholding the law, then the opinion better be the most narrow opinion(i.e. health insurance market = the one and only special case ) they've ever written in their life or there will be a ****storm.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That is an option, but we will have to turn people away, even those with emergency conditions, and health over all in this country will suffer, as more will be without access. There are consequences for that as well.
    Or, it could just be that once governments butt out medical care will be priced like everything else. There will be luxury "Prius" plans for those who want to "drive" a status symbol. And there will be economy plans for the more budget conscious. Free markets respond well to competition. They do not respond well in monopoly conditions.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    'Ya know, here is the way I see this -

    1) If the individual mandate is struck down, then SCOTUS is going to have to either throw out the rest of it, or Congress is going to have to move fast. With the other provisions in place, insurance companies will either go bankrupt or leave the health insurance business, since the requirement that they take in pre-existing conditions will be a heavy financial burden that they won't be able to overcome. At the very least, insurance prices will skyrocket to the point where so many people will stop buying health insurance that many insurance companies will not see profit, and will stop issuing health policies.

    2) If the individual mandate is struck down, people will still be seeking treatment at emergency rooms, which of course drives up the price of health care.

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    3) If the individual mandate is ruled not a tax, then it is clearly unconstitutional.

    I would hate to be in SCOTUS' shoes right now. No matter how they rule, the decision is going to be extremely unpopular, and will further divide the nation. But bear in mind that they are going to be making their ruling with the Constitution in mind. If they do kill the individual mandate, then one of two things is going to happen. Either:

    1) We will eventually be forced into a single payer system, much like Canada. We will pay a tax, and that will be ruled constitutional.

    OR

    2) Those who can't afford health insurance will continue to seek treatment in emergency rooms, thus driving up the cost of health care for everybody else.

    Whether we want to admit it or not, options 1 and 2 are not that different. Option 1 will clearly call for a tax, and option 2 will be the exact same thing as a tax, as far as our wallets see it. We will pay it either way.

    There is also option 3 - Hospitals turn away people seeking treatment at the door. That option would not last long, once enough bodies pile up in and around hospitals, and the result would be a greater push to, and the probable success of option 1 becoming the law.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Or, it could just be that once governments butt out medical care will be priced like everything else. There will be luxury "Prius" plans for those who want to "drive" a status symbol. And there will be economy plans for the more budget conscious. Free markets respond well to competition. They do not respond well in monopoly conditions.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Have you all heard the latest? Of course, justice Scalia doesn't want to read the whole bill; the other justices are having their clerks read the entire bill so that the justices know what they're talking about; but not Scalia: he doesn't think that ruling on the constutionality a law presented to the citizens of the United States should include a clear and knowledgeable understanding to effect the US Constitution; just the stuff that Scalia [/i]wants to look at[/i] . . .

    Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia Won't Read Health Care Law

    and the right keeps wronging

    Looked at your website. Now since out representatives didn't read the bill, and Pelosi said we'd have to read it to know what was in it, I assume she, main proponent of the bill hadn't read it either, I can't see why a member of the highest court in the land, Justice Scalia, would have to read 2700. Do you? Wouldn't the telling of the HC story be on the lawyers? Since they're the one's who brought it to the Supremes, yes.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, it isn't separate from health care because people who do not have health insurance have a substantial effect on the cost of everyone else's health insurance. Same reason that auto insurance is mandatory and why many states have mandatory no fault insurance.
    So? If 50 million people do not buy a new car but instead buy a used car then that affects everyone else's cost of buying a new car. Should we now force everyone to buy a new car in order to lower the cost of buying a new car?
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    If they vote the other way, upholding the law, then the opinion better be the most narrow opinion(i.e. health insurance market = the one and only special case ) they've ever written in their life or there will be a ****storm.
    It would have to be narrow as the argument for retaining the law is based on the premise that the health care market is unlike any other.
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