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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Haven't read the entire thread, but here's the latest:

    Supreme Court Signals It Won't Punt on Obamacare

    Supreme Court Signals It Won't Punt On ObamaCare Decision | Fox News

    Several of the justices have interpreted the mandate as a tax penalty, not a tax. They'll be delving into that issue tomorrow. Curiouser and curiouser.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    I got through about 1/4 of the transcript. Most of the first part is discussing, as Maggie said, whether the penalty constitutes a tax so as to implicate the Anti-Injunction Act. And the main part of that discussion dealt with the interpretationof the AIA itself, i.e. whether or not it is "jurisdictional". That's significant because, if it is jurisdictional, the government cannot waive the issue of the plaintiffs' standing. In other words, if the AIA applies and if it's jurisdictional, the Court couldn't decide the issue until a penalty was actually imposed, someone sued over it, and administrative remedies were exhausted -- even though the government wants the Court to decide on the merits now.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Interesting that Jim Demint would support the mandate, since he is on Romney's short list for VP.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think the individual mandate will be upheld.

    The Federal government has the power to tax, that's a given. Does it have the power to tax if you don't do something? I think SCOTUS will find that it does. If not, Obamacare is gutted.
    Yes, if the individual mandate is rejected, Obamcare loses its ability to "attract" customers to "Fed Cross" in sufficient numbers to adequately fund everyone's medical procedures, thereby making approval of procedures funded by the government insurance carrier much more dfficult to obtain than privately and at least equally as expensive regarding deductible and co-pay.

    Without the individual mandate, all we (mostly) do is just add another medical insurance carrier to the list, a government-run medical insurance carrier.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    ...Without the individual mandate, all we (mostly) do is just add another medical insurance carrier to the list, a government-run medical insurance carrier.
    um....what are you talking about?

    their is no government-controlled healthcare insurance, as part of Obamacare.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    um....what are you talking about?

    their is no government-controlled healthcare insurance, as part of Obamacare.
    Absolutely true .. for now.

    We all know what the Obamacare goal is, though: socialized medicine, with Fed Cross as the single-payer.

    Best to push the camel's nose out from under the tent now .. or the rest is sure to follow later.

    Indeed, if the individual mandate falls .. the camel may be humped!
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Absolutely true .. for now.

    We all know what the Obamacare goal is, though: socialized medicine, with Fed Cross as the single-payer.

    Best to push the camel's nose out from under the tent now .. or the rest is sure to follow later.

    Indeed, if the individual mandate falls .. the camel may be ousted
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The conspricy theory forum is further down.
    Look further down? When I followed your advice, I only saw my crotch.

    Wouldn't that make the sex forum a more likely destination?
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Look further down? When I followed your advice, I only saw my crotch.

    Wouldn't that make the sex forum a more likely destination?
    Probably, 'cause if Obamacare is ever installed full-bore, we'll all get screwed.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Look further down? When I followed your advice, I only saw my crotch.

    Wouldn't that make the sex forum a more likely destination?
    I cannot answer that question upstairs.
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