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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    I think that if the law that mandates health insurance is struck down, then the government should no longer be responsible for paying for anyone's health care in any way, shape or form.

    I have a hard enough time being responsible for my own insurance and health care. I shouldn't have to pay for anyone else's.

    Hell, most everyone is clueless as to what Obamacare is anyway. Myself included. I think the major objection to it is that it came from Obama. No matter what Obama proposes, his hater's will object. Period.

    I do hope to see some changes though. But I have insurance and I always have so I really got no dog in this fight.

    I would not object to the government sponsoring teaching colleges that allow our brightest to attend to become doctor's and other health professionals, using the money they now spend on the indigent health care. That would be a win/win. Affordable health care and affordable education.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Have you all heard the latest? Of course, justice Scalia doesn't want to read the whole bill; the other justices are having their clerks read the entire bill so that the justices know what they're talking about; but not Scalia: he doesn't think that ruling on the constutionality a law presented to the citizens of the United States should include a clear and knowledgeable understanding to effect the US Constitution; just the stuff that Scalia [/i]wants to look at[/i] . . .

    http://www.opposingviews.com/i/healt...ealth-care-law

    and the right keeps wronging
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    tossing out the entire law would be judicial activism...

    Could you provide the severability clause in the law please....I can't find it...

    Law Professor Jonathan Turley marvels at the mistake made by the socialists when they failed to include a severability clause in Obamacare - even as he wondered if it might have been part of a game of chicken.

    TURLEY: Well, first of all, it was a colossal mistake not to have a severability clause in this legislation. It’s a standard clause in bills. It is not clear why it was kept out. Some people say it was a blunder. Other suggests and I know you know, there’s some suspicion that it might be a sort of game of chicken, that they wanted to make clear, if you take out the individual mandate, you are risking the entire bill to sort of give these judges a bit of sticker shock.

    No Severability Clause in Obamacare: Mistake or Socialist Plot? | WRKO.com

    Ah, so Socialist Prof. Turley believes it was "A colossal mistake".... Looks like Progressives loose.


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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Have you all heard the latest? Of course, justice Scalia doesn't want to read the whole bill; the other justices are having their clerks read the entire bill so that the justices know what they're talking about; but not Scalia: he doesn't think that ruling on the constutionality a law presented to the citizens of the United States should include a clear and knowledgeable understanding to effect the US Constitution; just the stuff that Scalia [/i]wants to look at[/i] . . .

    Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia Won't Read Health Care Law

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    Do away with the mandate and the law is gone.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Now wait, I think you are confusing things. You were responding to the hypothesis about country X having a $7 cost for the same thing we pay $700 for. You seem to be answering only about our own costs. And although Universities do research, it is nothing compared to the private market.

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    I don't think I'm confusing things, and as I recall, Atticus back in the day did a pretty good job showing how much Universities do. And yes, I asked why, and you gave an opinion on why. I responded by saying I didn't buy it and stated why. I don't see anyone confused.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Have you all heard the latest? Of course, justice Scalia doesn't want to read the whole bill; the other justices are having their clerks read the entire bill so that the justices know what they're talking about; but not Scalia: he doesn't think that ruling on the constutionality a law presented to the citizens of the United States should include a clear and knowledgeable understanding to effect the US Constitution; just the stuff that Scalia [/i]wants to look at[/i] . . .

    Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia Won't Read Health Care Law

    and the right keeps wronging
    and have you read the whole bill and understand it completely?

    I will admit I have read sections, but there is no way I read every page.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Anytime the courts rule against anything someone is for, they whine "judicial activism." Usually it's the rightwingers. Funny how you don't see them whining about the "judicial activism" now.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Have you all heard the latest? Of course, justice Scalia doesn't want to read the whole bill; the other justices are having their clerks read the entire bill so that the justices know what they're talking about; but not Scalia: he doesn't think that ruling on the constutionality a law presented to the citizens of the United States should include a clear and knowledgeable understanding to effect the US Constitution; just the stuff that Scalia [/i]wants to look at[/i] . . .

    Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia Won't Read Health Care Law

    and the right keeps wronging
    Do you have some kind of support for your assertions that all the other Justices are having their clerks read the law, and Scalia isn't? 'Coz the little blurb you linked to says nothing of the kind.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't think I'm confusing things, and as I recall, Atticus back in the day did a pretty good job showing how much Universities do. And yes, I asked why, and you gave an opinion on why. I responded by saying I didn't buy it and stated why. I don't see anyone confused.

    Well, if you want to go through life only addressing half of what is before you, with opinion, and dismissal then have at it....I think I'll try that with your inane pap from now on....All I have to do is say I don't think so....


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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Anytime the courts rule against anything someone is for, they whine "judicial activism." Usually it's the rightwingers. Funny how you don't see them whining about the "judicial activism" now.
    They will if it goes differently than they think it will.

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