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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't think so.
    I have seen no evidence to support either your reading or understanding of our founding documents, in any of your posts that I have read so far.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    I have seen no evidence to support either your reading or understanding of our founding documents, in any of your posts that I have read so far.
    And I've seen nothing from you. But as neither of us are Constitutional scholars, of what value do you think our reading would be?

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And I've seen nothing from you. But as neither of us are Constitutional scholars, of what value do you think our reading would be?
    I have clearly stated that the Constitution and the commerce clause have NOTHING to do with the federal government forcing people to buy a product from private industry. If you have read and understood the founding documents, you would either agree or disagree with this, if you disagree, you would find it easy to point out where and what in the constitution grants the federal government such power. I won't hold my breath.

    'Constitutional scholar'? Oh, you mean college professor because they couldn't handle a real job? Got it. No, one does not need to overpay for an education so they can understand a really quite simple document.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    I have clearly stated that the Constitution and the commerce clause have NOTHING to do with the federal government forcing people to buy a product from private industry. If you have read and understood the founding documents, you would either agree or disagree with this, if you disagree, you would find it easy to point out where and what in the constitution grants the federal government such power. I won't hold my breath.

    'Constitutional scholar'? Oh, you mean college professor because they couldn't handle a real job? Got it. No, one does not need to overpay for an education so they can understand a really quite simple document.

    That is merely your opinion. And yes, when I want my car fixed, I ask a mechanic. When I'm ill, I see a doctor. And when I want to something about law, I ask someone who knows something about it. I know this makes me a radical, but that's how I roll.

    On this issue, I've seen knowledgable people reach two different conclusions. This suggests to me the issue isn't as clear as you think it is. And that is why it is before the courts, who will listen to arguments, look at law, and reach a decision. And it is this process we're discussing. You seem to feel that only if they rule as you believe can it not be judicial activism. I believe as those who know disagree, it will be which argument wins the day, and that either will most likely be decided based on law and not activism.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I'm saying I used it is a joke aimed at conservatives, so if you were capable of laughing at yourself you should be laughing at yourself (for a multitude of reaons).
    Well, for one, no I don't think you did at all; you meant it earnestly and then when you couldn't up with a rational explanation as to why it's "judicial activism," then you said it was a joke. You didn't expect to be challenged on it.

    And for another, I've never said a word about "judicial activism" that I can think of, so whatever you want to say about "conservatives" regarding it, it doesn't apply to me. As most things regarding "conservatives" don't generally apply to me, anyway.

    So while I do agree your statement was a "joke," it wasn't the ha-ha kind, except in that you thought you were making a salient point.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That is merely your opinion.
    You know, liberals are so damn predictable it's amazing. Ask a question, get a load of words that are meaningless and never address the question. It really is pointless to interact with them as they very rarely add anything of value to a discussion.

    I chalk it up to being set in their positions and unwilling (or unable) to learn, or to be honest with their beliefs.

    If it is easy for you to come up with where the Constitution states the fed has the power to force people to engage in commerce, let's have it... quit dodging.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    You know, liberals are so damn predictable it's amazing. Ask a question, get a load of words that are meaningless and never address the question. It really is pointless to interact with them as they very rarely add anything of value to a discussion.

    I chalk it up to being set in their positions and unwilling (or unable) to learn, or to be honest with their beliefs.

    If it is easy for you to come up with where the Constitution states the fed has the power to force people to engage in commerce, let's have it... quit dodging.
    So, you don't want a complete answer? I would say conservatives are so predictable, but I think that's true. I think it is lazy non-thinkers who don't want to explore issues that are on the table before them.

    Now start from the beginning, follow our discussion. We're discussing what judicial activism is. The posting of differing legal opinions has already been done.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So, you don't want a complete answer? I would say conservatives are so predictable, but I think that's true. I think it is lazy non-thinkers who don't want to explore issues that are on the table before them.

    Now start from the beginning, follow our discussion. We're discussing what judicial activism is. The posting of differing legal opinions has already been done.
    And you avoid giving an answer the question yet again.

    Try exploring an issue. Read the Constitution and find out where it says the feds have the power to force people to purchase from private companies, and let us know. Until you do that, you offer nothing but your 'feeling' that the mandate is a good thing.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    And you avoid giving an answer the question yet again.

    Try exploring an issue. Read the Constitution and find out where it says the feds have the power to force people to purchase from private companies, and let us know. Until you do that, you offer nothing but your 'feeling' that the mandate is a good thing.
    That is not our issue. Do you deny that experts have a disagree about this?

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That is not our issue. Do you deny that experts have a disagree about this?
    You have offered nothing but dodging and diversion.

    It is understandable because there is nothing in the Constitution that supports the power you 'feel' the federal government should have.

    When you actually have an argument, rather than constant dodging of reality, let us know.
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