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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    So any time a court strikes down a law, it's "judicial activism"?
    No, as I said, it's only judicial activism when the Court strikes down a law favored by conservatives. When it's a law favored by Democrats it's obviously the Court preserving the Constitution.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, as I said, it's only judicial activism when the Court strikes down a law favored by conservatives. When it's a law favored by Democrats it's obviously the Court preserving the Constitution.
    Answer the question. Is it "judicial activism" every time a court strikes down a law?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Answer the question. Is it "judicial activism" every time a court strikes down a law?
    I already answered the question. Do you have a reading disability?

    My point is that conservatives use the term "judicial activism" to mean that a court is substituting its judgment for that of the legislature for political reasons. Hypocritically, they NEVER use the term when a law they oppose is overturned -- as if it only happens to conservative legislation.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I already answered the question. Do you have a reading disability?

    My point is that conservatives use the term "judicial activism" to mean that a court is substituting its judgment for that of the legislature for political reasons. Hypocritically, they NEVER use the term when a law they oppose is overturned -- as if it only happens to conservative legislation.
    Yet YOU used it. Are you saying that you were using it as a joke, and thus I was right to laugh at you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yet YOU used it. Are you saying that you were using it as a joke, and thus I was right to laugh at you?
    I'm saying I used it is a joke aimed at conservatives, so if you were capable of laughing at yourself you should be laughing at yourself (for a multitude of reaons).
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Have comprehension issues? Nothing to be ashamed of. But I can help. Ask questions if you're confused.
    You'd be the last person anyone should rely on for accurate information.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    "Judicial Activism" is not striking down a law in order to maintain the limitations on Government set by the Constitution. Judicial Activism is when justices choose to "update" the Constitution to something more in line with their preferences. Classically, this has involved using ever-expanding readings of the 14th Amendment to Judicially Amend the rest of the document, but is not restricted to that. In addition, the theory of Judicial Supremacy falls under the heading of Judicial Activism, and is it's most dangerous component.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    I agree that Americans want more affordable healthcare. However, and I think (believe it or not) that the government should have a role in the solution. The problem is not Healthcare Reform. It is generally uncontested that some reform is needed. I think that it is this particular bill that is bad- an "overfixing" of the problem. Matter of fact, I don't believe that reform of the healthcare system was the legislative intent. I believe the intent was to stifle (overpower) capitalism- and that is where it will fail, I think.

    The limit of the government's involvement is to create a solution where none exists in the private marketplace. No solution currently exists for people with particular pre-existing conditions. They can not get insurance. (And this is not the insurance companies' fault, and in many cases, it isn't the patient's fault either.) This is the only area in which the government's intervention is appropriate. Because medicare already covers people who are certified as disabled, regardless of their age, it could simply be suggested that the government could pass a law making it a "disability" to have pre-existing conditions preventing coverage elsewhere. In addition to rolling back other laws and reforming tort rules, this would just about fix it.

    Everything else should be left to the marketplace. With tort reform and less government interventions, costs will come down on their own.
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    Couldn't agree more. But you know govt isn't gonna give up. The idea has been planted and now voters think this is a done deal and they deserve HC. And that means the taxpayer will foot the bill. I don't think the Supremes will dump the whole law, I can hope, and what is left will have to be dealt with by the govt.

    What do you think will happen and left over?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    If the court overturns the mandate, the deal to end pre-existing conditions is over. If everyone is not required to buy insurance, the staus quo continues and in the next 5 years 20,000 more Americans will have their policies "recsended", the insurers fancy word for dropping you when you get sick AND you will still get to pay 20% of your premium to cover the young people who don't think they need insurance. Let's all cheer those Justices on!
    I stint know why you think the "you have to cover these people" is some kind of contact.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Why couldn't this thing called market competition be the thing that puts downward pressure on their 30%+ overhead?

    IOW, if the overhead and executive salaries are so wasteful and unnecessary, which is what liberal folks tell us, then why hasn't competition taken care of it?
    Because of the current share holder culture which gives more power to the CEO who, a lot of the times, hand picks his board of directors.

    The problem with the current system (with our without Congresscare) is that people can be still turned away for much needed medical care because Rhett can't afford it or go bankrupt for going through with the procedure. As much as conservatives harp on individual responsibility and "not my problem" and market fairness you would think they would be appalled by the entire situation
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Do you have a reading disability?
    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    you should be laughing at yourself (for a multitude of reaons).
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