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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Just stumbled across this. It's a video report on today's activity from CNN, but based on this, it looks like the court will probably rule(oops, I was wrong again maybe), and that it could be very interesting how this plays out.

    Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com
    CBS and NYT agree.

    Health care case seems likely to go on in court - CBS News

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/27/us...eme-court.html

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    That certainly would have been the best way to go but there's no way it would have passed Congress.
    I am happy with what I have now.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is not quite what the rules of statutory construction are:

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    Any question of statutory interpretation begins with looking at the plain language of the statute to discover its original intent. To discover a statute's original intent, courts first look to the words of the statute and apply their usual and ordinary meanings.

    If after looking at the language of the statute the meaning of the statute remains unclear, courts attempt to ascertain the intent of the legislature by looking at legislative history and other sources. Courts generally steer clear of any interpretation that would create an absurd result which the Legislature did not intend.
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    Very awesome. Good decision by the court.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I am happy with what I have now.
    In that case the law should have no effect on you at all -- except that it will prevent your insurer from canceling you if you get sick and it will make sure that at least 85% of your premium goes to health care.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    What are you talking about?
    Like I said above, this isn't a case where the meaning of the statute is unclear. Even if it was, however, the legislative intent would surely indicate that the penalty was included, in part, to raise revenue.

    I guess what the Court is probably thinking is that, for pragmatic reasons, it would be a bad idea to put this off for three years. By then too much will have been invested in setting up the system.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Like I said above, this isn't a case where the meaning of the statute is unclear.
    Find me the part where "tax" or "revenue" is included in that part of the statute, or any reasonable equivalent. If it's not "unclear," this should be easy.


    Even if it was, however, the legislative intent would surely indicate that the penalty was included, in part, to raise revenue.
    If it's "sure," then point me to it.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

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    I didn't think even you would post a gotcha video like this, but I was wrong.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Are you seriously suggesting that bills does nothing more than force people--who couldn't afford health insurance prior--to start paying for health insurance, or pay a fine?

    If they couldn't afford it before, how in the hell are they going to afford it, now?
    Give me a break, alot of young people who could afford insurance are gaming the system by gambling that they will not have health problems till they get older. They know they are covered anyway and this is costing us 25% extra on OUR insurance. People who truly can't afford insurance will not be fined.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Yes the fed govt. has a right to tax. If the health care is a tax, then why doesn't the feds say with this tax, here is your health care policy (like medicare). Why give people a choice since we have to pay the tax.
    You are talking about single payer which is what medicare is, sadly that was deemed too radical and we have kept the private insurers and their huge CEO salaries. This tax is nothing but an incentive to get people who can afford insurance to buy it instead of sponging off the Govt. and costing the rest of us 25% extra on our premiums. The Govt. does not want anyone to pay it, just get insurance for pete's sake.
    Last edited by iguanaman; 03-26-12 at 04:28 PM.

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