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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I know you either think it was or that this works as a diversion. I don't much care either way. But whatever you want to call what you did, it wasn't convincing or particularly on point.

    It's fine to say you want to move on, or just quit replying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I'm confused...
    Finally some honesty.

    So you would rather they pocket more of your premiums?
    I would rather retain the right to let them pocket $0.00, by deciding not to buy their overpriced product at all.

    That's 20% is LESS than the 28 to 35% that insurers get now and all rate increases will be evaluated using that criteria. If they spent less than 20% on HC then NO rate increase.
    What prevents them from raising rates such that 20% of revenue equals whatever they want/need to operate?

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Finally some honesty.



    I would rather retain the right to let them pocket $0.00, by deciding not to buy their overpriced product at all


    What prevents them from raising rates such that 20% of revenue equals whatever they want/need to operate?
    Looking of the free ride I see. Why am I not surprised?

    Rates are based on how much they PAY OUT to those that actually treat people. If you can't see how limiting their take to 20% keeps them in check then I give up.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    American's want some sort of affordable healthcare, so I do believe the WH, Senate and Congress will find another route. This should have been done to start with, IMO.
    I agree that Americans want more affordable healthcare. However, and I think (believe it or not) that the government should have a role in the solution. The problem is not Healthcare Reform. It is generally uncontested that some reform is needed. I think that it is this particular bill that is bad- an "overfixing" of the problem. Matter of fact, I don't believe that reform of the healthcare system was the legislative intent. I believe the intent was to stifle (overpower) capitalism- and that is where it will fail, I think.

    The limit of the government's involvement is to create a solution where none exists in the private marketplace. No solution currently exists for people with particular pre-existing conditions. They can not get insurance. (And this is not the insurance companies' fault, and in many cases, it isn't the patient's fault either.) This is the only area in which the government's intervention is appropriate. Because medicare already covers people who are certified as disabled, regardless of their age, it could simply be suggested that the government could pass a law making it a "disability" to have pre-existing conditions preventing coverage elsewhere. In addition to rolling back other laws and reforming tort rules, this would just about fix it.

    Everything else should be left to the marketplace. With tort reform and less government interventions, costs will come down on their own.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    You didn't answer my question.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    People do have these things and not die, and are treated. And we pay. Until you you either do die, or we decide to let you die, you cannot opt out of the system. You are already engaged. We're just paying for your irresponsibility.
    Perhaps the government should just completely get out of its involvement in health care. If people want it let them buy it. If they don't, they don't.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    There is a tiny minority of people who go through their whole life without having to see a doctor, but of that tiny minority, an even tinier minority will manage to avoid significant health care costs at the very end.

    Some startling statistics:
    You make a very strong case for death panels.


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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Perhaps the government should just completely get out of its involvement in health care. If people want it let them buy it. If they don't, they don't.
    Typical attitude. Just leave business alone and they'll make money, everything will be OK, they can police themselves. Hence, the 2008 Crash.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Perhaps the government should just completely get out of its involvement in health care. If people want it let them buy it. If they don't, they don't.
    You mean let people die if the can't pay. That is worse than a "death panel" isn't it? Do you think money should determine whether you live of die?

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You mean let people die if the can't pay. That is worse than a "death panel" isn't it? Do you think money should determine whether you live of die?
    Certainly. If you feel strongly about it get you and all of your liberal friends together, donate your time, effort and money, and be happy. It is not enough for you to vote in someone who will take my money to do what you consider to be good deeds.

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