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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I'm thinking it looks like the whole thing may get tossed, if even Kennedy doesn't think he can split it up.
    That would be my bet, but like I said, it is not uncommon for guesses made on questions asked by the judges to be highly misleading. June is not far away, we will know then.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So it was an odd day in court today. Scalia stated that having to read the entire healthcare bill personally would be a violation of the 8th amendment(cruel and unusual punishment). Conservative justices pondered what parts of the bill to retain if the mandate was struck down, while liberal justices argued that the court should only rule on constitutionality.

    Based on the questions from the justices, it will be 5-4 in favor of overturning the mandate, but I would not recommend betting everything you own on that. Intrade has it at a 60 % chance of overturning the mandate.
    Looks that way, but I'll wait. OBTW, thanks for the link to the SCOTUS, I went there off and on all day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    At least there are limits on the monopoly with HC reform. 80% of premiums will be required to got to health care PROVIDERS leaving 20% for those that do nothing but cut checks. It's not perfect but it's better than them pocketing 35% or more profit for just being middlemen.
    That's not a limit. If they want more money, why couldn't they just raise premiums so that their 20% cut covers their expenses and salary goals?

    Sounds like a way to encourage continued overconsumption of medical care. For every 80 cents patients spend on themselves, the company gets 20. It's virtually a cost-plus arrangement.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Looks that way, but I'll wait. OBTW, thanks for the link to the SCOTUS, I went there off and on all day.
    It really is a great site. Their reporters are among the best.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That would be my bet, but like I said, it is not uncommon for guesses made on questions asked by the judges to be highly misleading. June is not far away, we will know then.
    they really are bastards for making us wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Hard to have saved enough money at 18, 20, or even 30 to cover the cost of some diseases/conditions and accidents are impossible to predict. It's no different for auto insurance. In my state you have the option to carry a $50k bond instead of liability insurance.
    You didn't answer my question.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    That's not a limit. If they want more money, why couldn't they just raise premiums so that their 20% cut covers their expenses and salary goals?

    Sounds like a way to encourage continued overconsumption of medical care. For every 80 cents patients spend on themselves, the company gets 20.
    The states already have the power to do this. Most state's insurancecommissioners have taken advantage of it. THose that haven't easily could have if they had wanted.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    How much of that is tied to the malpractice insurance all the doctors involved have to pay?
    Not very much. Better than half the states have enacted tort reform which many conservatives hold out as the key to cost containment. Problem is, tort reform hasn't lowered medical costs in those states one bit. What it did was keep some messed up patients from obtaining a full recovery while making the insurance companies and doctors a little richer.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Not very much. Better than half the states have enacted tort reform which many conservatives hold out as the key to cost containment. Problem is, tort reform hasn't lowered medical costs in those states one bit. What it did was keep some messed up patients from obtaining a full recovery while making the insurance companies and doctors a little richer.
    Tort reform cannot undo the massive amount of problems we have. To have pronounced it as some silver bullet to solve all problems is incorrect. It's one step in many that have to take place to make a dent in the fubar insurance process which, if Obamacare is allowed to stay intact, will get even worse... which is almost unimaginable.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    After all of this blathering on, one thing is looking clearer by the minute.

    Ding, dong, this witch is dead. The mandate is being stricken, and the Court doesn't seem interested in parsing through 2,700 pages to salvage any part of it, other than Ginsburg.

    Start over.
    Don't dance on the coffin just yet.

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