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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    So you're saying people would rather be scammed than save for their own medical care?
    Hard to have saved enough money at 18, 20, or even 30 to cover the cost of some diseases/conditions and accidents are impossible to predict. It's no different for auto insurance. In my state you have the option to carry a $50k bond instead of liability insurance. Very, very few people use that option. Some companies/corporations are self-insured but few individuals.
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    LOL.
    The ghost of Jack Kevorkian for President's Physician: 2016

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Hard to have saved enough money at 18, 20, or even 30 to cover the cost of some diseases/conditions and accidents are impossible to predict. It's no different for auto insurance. In my state you have the option to carry a $50k bond instead of liability insurance. Very, very few people use that option. Some companies/corporations are self-insured but few individuals.
    The first year of a heart transplant on average costs 787k. A Left Ventricle Assist device costs on average 300k. These are the kinds of bills I look at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The first year of a heart transplant on average costs 787k. A Left Ventricle Assist device costs on average 300k. These are the kinds of bills I look at.
    Exactly! Most people don't have $300k in their retirement account - let alone that much above it for medical. And forget the transplant, that ain't gonna' happen.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The first year of a heart transplant on average costs 787k. A Left Ventricle Assist device costs on average 300k. These are the kinds of bills I look at.
    How much of that is tied to the malpractice insurance all the doctors involved have to pay?

    Perhaps we need a government malpractice insurance bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The first year of a heart transplant on average costs 787k. A Left Ventricle Assist device costs on average 300k. These are the kinds of bills I look at.
    Had a family member have the heart valve replacement operation. Hefty cost for sure, but . . . . . they had insurance. He was sure glad he had insurance and got that when he was young. Paid for years and when he needed it, it was there. The family learned a good lesson from this happening to him.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    So it was an odd day in court today. Scalia stated that having to read the entire healthcare bill personally would be a violation of the 8th amendment(cruel and unusual punishment). Conservative justices pondered what parts of the bill to retain if the mandate was struck down, while liberal justices argued that the court should only rule on constitutionality.

    Based on the questions from the justices, it will be 5-4 in favor of overturning the mandate, but I would not recommend betting everything you own on that. Intrade has it at a 60 % chance of overturning the mandate.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    After all of this blathering on, one thing is looking clearer by the minute.

    Ding, dong, this witch is dead. The mandate is being stricken, and the Court doesn't seem interested in parsing through 2,700 pages to salvage any part of it, other than Ginsburg.

    Start over.

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    LOL.
    They call that the Ryan Plan.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So it was an odd day in court today. Scalia stated that having to read the entire healthcare bill personally would be a violation of the 8th amendment(cruel and unusual punishment). Conservative justices pondered what parts of the bill to retain if the mandate was struck down, while liberal justices argued that the court should only rule on constitutionality.

    Based on the questions from the justices, it will be 5-4 in favor of overturning the mandate, but I would not recommend betting everything you own on that. Intrade has it at a 60 % chance of overturning the mandate.
    ...Agreeing, Justice Anthony Kennedy said it would be an "extreme proposition" to allow the various insurance regulations to stand after the mandate was struck down....
    I'm thinking it looks like the whole thing may get tossed, if even Kennedy doesn't think he can split it up.

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