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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    It's not a tax, and Congress isn't collecting it, so force is the word.



    Still virtually limitless



    Are you kidding me?



    But the problem is we can't afford these high costs at all. Using a different credit card doesn't resolve the problem of your expenditures being too high.



    "Any reform is better than no reform" is a dangerous mistake. This "reform" forces citizens to buy a monopoly's product costs that are spiraling out of control. That is beyond unfair, and it's most unfair to those who can just barely scrape enough together to keep forking it over to these PRIVATE companies.

    You need to be sure that it does make it worse. There's no question.
    At least there are limits on the monopoly with HC reform. 80% of premiums will be required to got to health care PROVIDERS leaving 20% for those that do nothing but cut checks. It's not perfect but it's better than them pocketing 35% or more profit for just being middlemen.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Ahh the idealists, how quaint. You do know that in reality we will not change one tiny bit when it comes to treating people in Emergency rooms. So if it doens't pass you WILL continue to pay for all those unisured gaming the system, more an more EVERY year.
    Oh, I know all too well. I remember a time when we didn't automatically treat people. I had a wreck when I was 19 and was kinda' out of it, couldn't tell them if I had insurance or not (I did). They took me to County - basically the "Welfare Hospital" around here. Since it was just a sprang I didn't bother to go somewhere else but that was the default ambulance response at that time, no insurance? You go to County.


    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, one could say the same to you. But then, one would be as non-responsive as you.
    He often is that, isn't he? Or cryptic, which is just as bad sometimes. LOL!
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Thought all on this thread might be interested in the last comments for the day.


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    Will Medicaid Be Scarificed - Analysis

    "Unless a closing oration by a top government lawyer stirs some real sympathy for the poor, the new health care law’s broad expansion of the Medicaid program that serves the needy may be sacrificed to a historic expression of judicial sympathy for states’ rights."
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, one could say the same to you. But then, one would be as non-responsive as you.
    That's because it's already been covered. Declining to ride the merry-go-round one more time is hardly being "non-responsive." You just need a new argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    He often is that, isn't he? Or cryptic, which is just as bad sometimes. LOL!
    I say what I mean and mean what I say. If you want to go off on a tangent based on something I didn't say, then you'll quite often go down that road solo. This is your problem, not mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Ha, ha, you crack me up. Everybody has some pre-existing condition and ins. companies often use any little illness you might have forgotten to deny coverage for major illness that was not pre-existing. It is racket they use to get rid of sick people and increase profit.
    Civil law can address this. If not, I imagine customers would ultimately flee the company and it'd fold. Who's gonna keep paying a company that reneges on its agreement using fine print? That's either a contract not made in good faith (civil law matter), or at least a reason for customers to abandon/boycott the scam and watch the company crash and burn.

    The companies have AGREED to eliminate this scam in return for a mandate to reqire all to be insured. It's a fair bargain and one that will save 1000's from bankruptcy.
    There it is. These dreaded companies called the shots and won a way to GUARANTEE their revenue stream. What a glorious business to be in... One where the government forces customer retention in spite of terrible business practices.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I'll even repeat my final post here:

    Made my remarks, showed why I believed those remarks.

    Made my comment on that sort of posting. and finished with "have fun. ".


    Did I say or imply you were a D or R or C or L? Did I try to put you in a political box?
    If you take objection to being called a lawyer or politician then I will apologize - unless you really are or were one?
    Make whatever excuses you want; you still read a ton into my post which wasn't there, and suggested I said things I didn't.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That's because it's already been covered. Declining to ride the merry-go-round one more time is hardly being "non-responsive." You just need a new argument.
    The "new argument" is that conservatives put the mandate in the bill in the first place in order to sabotage it. LOL

    This thing looks like its going up in flames, and the liberal lemmings are in a group-hug tizzy like we haven't seen since Bush was re-elected. (Not counting my chickens, mind you.)

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I say what I mean and mean what I say. If you want to go off on a tangent based on something I didn't say, then you'll quite often go down that road solo. This is your problem, not mine.
    Yes, I am slowly but surely getting used to your style.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Don't forget that pre-existing conditions will also be reinstated without the mandate
    So insurance companies can continue paying big bucks to the people who's sole job is denying coverage to sick people. Aren't you glad so much of your premiums go to those important people?
    That used to be one of my jobs. Why wasn't I getting these big bucks?

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