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    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Don't forget that pre-existing conditions will also be reinstated without the mandate So insurance companies can continue paying big bucks to the people who's sole job is denying coverage to sick people. Aren't you glad so much of your premiums go to those important people?
    Covering folks with pre-existing conditions isn't insuring them, it's agreeing to directly pay the bills they're incurring. Having government force companies to act irrationally like this is not insurance--it's welfare.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I assumed you made the same dumbass mistake I've seen a dozen times on here. I take a position and somebody's pea-brain interprets it as a declaration of overall political intent.
    You've done that to me, dude. Elsewhere, and in this thread:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1060340027
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    And if it doesn't we should let 'em rot in the gutters. A few weeks of that and people will understand the issue much better.
    Ahh the idealists, how quaint. You do know that in reality we will not change one tiny bit when it comes to treating people in Emergency rooms. So if it doens't pass you WILL continue to pay for all those unisured gaming the system, more an more EVERY year.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, it is the same argument. Like I said, you really did not understand it. But instead of asking questions, you leap to the insult.

    And yes, they are an identifiable group. The insured or not required to get insurance as they are insured.

    And we do have statistics that show us as a group they do show up injured and ill and do not have the means to pay for it. And don't pay for it. It isn't like we don't have the problem right before us right now. So, effectively it is being done right now. I have links above showing just that.

    And actually the uninsured do include people who work and are capable and who still cannot afford the bills they incur. We have to have some method of dealing with this. Like has been repeated, the public option would have been better and more effective. And a single payer system even more effective than the public option. But the uninsured are right now being treated, and passing that cost on to us.


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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post


    Constantly repeating yourself doesn't mean it's not spaghetti.
    Well, one could say the same to you. But then, one would be as non-responsive as you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    On that I disagree. There is virtually no legislation that is pasted that someone doesn't object to. So, we are always forced, if we use your view as the guiding element, to do something. But this is a representative government, and I don't think force is the proper word.
    It's not a tax, and Congress isn't collecting it, so force is the word.

    Minimal needed care.
    Still virtually limitless

    And we really can't spend much more than we are already.
    Are you kidding me?

    Remember, we're paying for it now. And in a very loose and ad hoc way. We would just be putting some method to that paying.
    But the problem is we can't afford these high costs at all. Using a different credit card doesn't resolve the problem of your expenditures being too high.

    Not sure that it does. But I certainly agree it is not the best solution. I'm not sure we can get worse than we are without reform.
    "Any reform is better than no reform" is a dangerous mistake. This "reform" forces citizens to buy a monopoly's product costs that are spiraling out of control. That is beyond unfair, and it's most unfair to those who can just barely scrape enough together to keep forking it over to these PRIVATE companies.

    You need to be sure that it does make it worse. There's no question.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Thanks for the compliment. Were you even born in '93 when this came up previously? I was. And I do remember.
    Uh yeah, I remember the year pretty well. I actually had a class in constitutional law that year, so I'm pretty sure it would have come up. But it didn't.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Covering folks with pre-existing conditions isn't insuring them, it's agreeing to directly pay the bills they're incurring. Having government force companies to act irrationally like this is not insurance--it's welfare.
    Ha, ha, you crack me up. Everybody has some pre-existing condition and ins. companies often use any little illness you might have forgotten to deny coverage for major illness that was not pre-existing.
    It is racket they use to get rid of sick people and increase profit.
    The companies have AGREED to eliminate this scam in return for a mandate to reqire all to be insured. It's a fair bargain and one that will save 1000's from bankruptcy.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You've done that to me, dude. Elsewhere, and in this thread:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1060340027
    I'll even repeat my final post here:

    You must be a politician or a lawyer. I didn't realize you were arguing a point of a point of a point.

    Minuscule crap is just that, crap - have fun.
    Made my remarks, showed why I believed those remarks.

    Made my comment on that sort of posting. and finished with "have fun. ".


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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Are you advocating violence?
    Absolutely not. I'm just coming to terms with its inevitably.

    The swath of differences between the two sides is becoming so massive - combined with the tipping-point debt crisis and virtually permanent unemployment quagmire - that something's got to give.

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