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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, gee whiz! Why don't you educate us...and be sure and cite the bill to support your claims. Thanks in advance.



    We had to create this monstrocity of a bill to do that?

    I thought that's what medicaid was for.
    Medicaid does not address people who are above the poverty line but who still can't afford insurance.

    Of course the law does a lot of other good things, but coverage expansion is the main thing. There are probably 100 good summaries you could find in a 30 second Google search if you were interested. As a general policy it's probably a good idea to know what you're opposing before you oppose it.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Yes the fed govt. has a right to tax. If the health care is a tax, then why doesn't the feds say with this tax, here is your health care policy (like medicare). Why give people a choice since we have to pay the tax.
    That certainly would have been the best way to go but there's no way it would have passed Congress.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Medicaid does not address people who are above the poverty line but who still can't afford insurance.


    Why not just tweak medicaid?

    Of course the law does a lot of other good things
    Like what???

    There are probably 100 good summaries you could find in a 30 second Google search if you were interested. As a general policy it's probably a good idea to know what you're opposing before you oppose it.
    It's not my job to prove you right. That burden falls squarely at your doorstep, sir. Take your own advice and be able to support that which you support.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Which begs the question: what the hell's the real objective of Obamacare, to begin with?
    let me guess: Bolshevism?

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why not just tweak medicaid?

    Like what???

    It's not my job to prove you right. That burden falls squarely at your doorstep, sir. Take your own advice and be able to support that which you support.
    I think you've got me ****ed up with apdst university. If you want to talk about the law then do some research so you have an informed opinion.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    the first ruling will be whether the penalty amounts to a tax.



    Q&A: The details of the Supreme Court's healthcare debate - latimes.com

    the argument is that the mandate cannot be thrown out before someone actually has to pay the penalty for not buying health insurance.

    i'm curious to see the outcome of this.
    I think the tax argument is bull****, because the penalty is not originally setup for the purpose of obtain revenue for the government. If 100% of the people complied, then there would be not tax revenue, which defeats the purposes of taxes. It's nothing more than a scam argument.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No. The legislative intent has a great deal to do with it. If they didn't intend it as a tax, then it's not a tax. This is according to the rules of statutory construction which courts follow.
    That is not quite what the rules of statutory construction are:

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Huffpo has an article about an interesting poll of former Supreme Court clerks of sitting justices and other attorneys who have argued before the Court.

    On average they said there was a 35% chance that the mandate would be held unconstitutional. 27% thought they wouldn't rule on it until 2015 per the Anti-Injunction Act. More results about what might happen if parts were found unconstitutional: Supreme Court Clerks Predict Health Care Reform Will Be Upheld
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Just stumbled across this. It's a video report on today's activity from CNN, but based on this, it looks like the court will probably rule(oops, I was wrong again maybe), and that it could be very interesting how this plays out.

    Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com
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