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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That, too, is idiotic. It's just more spaghetti. "Will do" does not equal "is doing." There is no other "consideration," period.
    Nope. it is happening right now. Go to your er. The uninsured are being treated. As a group, they are engaged in commerce rigth now, consuming and passing on the cost to all of those responsible enough to be insured.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Some support:

    As increasing numbers of the unemployed and uninsured turn to the nation’s emergency rooms as a medical last resort, doctors warn that the centers — many already overburdened — could have even more trouble handling the heart attacks, broken bones and other traumas that define their core mission.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/bu...pagewanted=all

    Tennesseans with toothaches end up in hospital emergency rooms because so many of the state’s residents do not have dental insurance and cannot afford preventive care, according to a report released Tuesday by The Pew Center on the States.

    Toothaches send uninsured into emergency rooms | The Tennessean | tennessean.com

    New Data Say Uninsured Account for Nearly One-Fifth of Emergency Room Visits

    New Data Say Uninsured Account for Nearly One-Fifth of Emergency Room Visits

    Just the first three of a simple search.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Hahaha, you have a short memory. The public option is precisely what the public didn't want.
    Wrong. The American people wanted the public option. They don't want what we got.
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    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Wrong. The American people wanted the public option. They don't want what we got.
    I think that is mostly correct, but minority voices like the tea party had a huge effect. they took the death panel lie to stupid proportions and clouded the issue for many. This help lead to the poor compromise position.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nope. it is happening right now. Go to your er. The uninsured are being treated. As a group, they are engaged in commerce rigth now, consuming and passing on the cost to all of those responsible enough to be insured.
    This is a different argument (which is, of course, the only avenue you had to do down), and it has its own failing -- "the uninsured" isn't an identifiable person. This mandate is against individuals, not groups or statistics.

    But to indulge some of your spaghetti, as you've pretty much given up on the logical point:

    Tell me . . . how do you know that an such uninsured 20-something won't have insurance or other means to pay when the time comes to seek medical care? Answer: you don't. Your "will do = is doing" argument fails on that ground alone as a practical argument, even if it wasn't logically idiotic.

    Moreover, the type of person most likely to remain uninsured when the time comes to seek medical care -- the low-income -- are exempted by this mandate, so as a practical argument it fails pretty miserably, too.

    But as I said, that's just your spaghetti. Your logical argument continues to be vapid.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nope. it is happening right now. Go to your er. The uninsured are being treated. As a group, they are engaged in commerce rigth now, consuming and passing on the cost to all of those responsible enough to be insured.



    How can people who are using hospitals/doctors, and not paying for these services, be engaged in commerce?

    Dictionary, Encyclopedia and Thesaurus - The Free Dictionary

    "The buying and selling of goods, especially on a large scale, as between cities or nations."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    This is a different argument (which is, of course, the only avenue you had to do down), and it has its own failing -- "the uninsured" isn't an identifiable person. This mandate is against individuals, not groups or statistics.

    But to indulge some of your spaghetti, as you've pretty much given up on the logical point:

    Tell me . . . how do you know that an such uninsured 20-something won't have insurance or other means to pay when the time comes to seek medical care? Answer: you don't. Your "will do = is doing" argument fails on that ground alone as a practical argument, even if it wasn't logically idiotic.

    Moreover, the type of person most likely to remain uninsured when the time comes to seek medical care -- the low-income -- are exempted by this mandate, so as a practical argument it fails pretty miserably, too.

    But as I said, that's just your spaghetti. Your logical argument continues to be vapid.
    No, it is the same argument. Like I said, you really did not understand it. But instead of asking questions, you leap to the insult.

    And yes, they are an identifiable group. The insured or not required to get insurance as they are insured.

    And we do have statistics that show us as a group they do show up injured and ill and do not have the means to pay for it. And don't pay for it. It isn't like we don't have the problem right before us right now. So, effectively it is being done right now. I have links above showing just that.

    And actually the uninsured do include people who work and are capable and who still cannot afford the bills they incur. We have to have some method of dealing with this. Like has been repeated, the public option would have been better and more effective. And a single payer system even more effective than the public option. But the uninsured are right now being treated, and passing that cost on to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nope. it is happening right now. Go to your er. The uninsured are being treated. As a group, they are engaged in commerce rigth now, consuming and passing on the cost to all of those responsible enough to be insured.
    Many of the uninsured don't have the cash for health insurance. But They will continue to bill the collective for their care and it will remain this way under any liberal scheme.

    The problem is that we entitle and provide people with any and all costly needed care whether they have anything to trade for it or not. IOW, the main problem is that these people get care.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    How can people who are using hospitals/doctors, and not paying for these services, be engaged in commerce?

    Dictionary, Encyclopedia and Thesaurus - The Free Dictionary

    "The buying and selling of goods, especially on a large scale, as between cities or nations."
    They are receiving a service and we are paying for it. As the consumer of the service, they are engaged. As are we as the actual payers.

    But your question is a better question.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They are receiving a service and we are paying for it. As the consumer of the service, they are engaged. As are we as the actual payers.

    But your question is a better question.
    What you call commerce is what I call freeloading. If you're not paying for a service and someone else is paying for you, you are not involved with any type of commerce. You haven't sold or bought anything. You've taken advantage of some unsuspecting sap.

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