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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Thanks for trying, but it's still an idiotic argument. You see, health insurance, like all insurance, is about probability. Even if you aren't sick now, your participation or lack of partiicpation in the insurance market affects everyone's costs.
    Repeating what you just said doesn't make it any more relevant than it was the first time.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Repeating what you just said doesn't make it any more relevant than it was the first time.

    "Will do" does not equal "is doing." Period.
    You must be a politician or a lawyer. I didn't realize you were arguing a point of a point of a point.

    Minuscule crap is just that, crap - have fun.


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    We wouldn't be going through any of this if the Republicans didn't want their precious insurance companies in the loop. :-/ It should have been universal in the first place, paid with taxes. Then there wouldn't be an issue.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Anyone but me forget that the mandate was originally a conservative proposal that was justified on the basis of personal responsibility?
    Then why do you agree with it, it couldn't possibly a good thing right?
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

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    Then why do you agree with it, it couldn't possibly a good thing right?

    So you support the mandate now?

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Repeating what you just said doesn't make it any more relevant than it was the first time.

    "Will do" does not equal "is doing." Period.
    So, in your opinion, insurance companies DON'T set rates based upon the size and composition of their risk pool ... is that what you're saying? And hospitals DON'T increase their prices in anticipation of having to shell out for uninsured patients? Is that what you think? Best think again.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Anyone but me forget that the mandate was originally a conservative proposal that was justified on the basis of personal responsibility?
    No, I didn't forget. Nor did I forget that the Democrats screamed 'UNCONSTITUTIONAL' at the time. And eventually the GOP figured out that the Dems were right hence dropping it. Now it appears the roles have been reversed. What happened? Did the Dems forget their arguing point or are they just being contrarian?

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You must be a politician or a lawyer. I didn't realize you were arguing a point of a point of a point.

    Minuscule crap is just that, crap - have fun.
    Considering I put the point I was arguing with in bold, your missing what I was arguing was your failing. Inexcusable, too, because it could not have been more plain.

    But the larger point is indeed this -- Boo is trying to justify using the Commerce Clause to force people to buy health insurance on the argument that they're already engaged in commerce.

    As the "already engaged" pseudo-argument is preposterous, then so is that Commerce Clause "argument." And no discussion of "markets" and "probability" will repair it.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So, in your opinion, insurance companies DON'T set rates based upon the size and composition of their risk pool ... is that what you're saying? And hospitals DON'T increase their prices in anticipation of having to shell out for uninsured patients? Is that what you think? Best think again.
    Whenever you can't answer a direct, concise point, you engage in silly strawmen. This is no exception. I could write whole books on the things you've claimed I'm "saying" but in no way did.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Considering I put the point I was arguing with in bold, your missing what I was arguing was your failing. Inexcusable, too, because it could not have been more plain.

    But the larger point is indeed this -- Boo is trying to justify using the Commerce Clause to force people to buy health insurance on the argument that they're already engaged in commerce.

    As the "already engaged" pseudo-argument is preposterous, then so is that Commerce Clause "argument." And no discussion of "markets" and "probability" will repair it.
    yet, despite your convulsions, my point still stands. You may revisit it and try to address it directly.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    yet, despite your convulsions, my point still stands. You may revisit it and try to address it directly.
    I already demolished it. You just quoted me doing it. Now you're just holding your hands to your ears and yelling "I can't hear you!!!"
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