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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Anyone but me notice that 99.9% of the lefts arguments FOR the mandate, have nothing to do with the Constitution. It all goes back to 'fairness' and other nonsense.
    Most of us know that issue will be settled, soon.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Anyone but me notice that 99.9% of the lefts arguments FOR the mandate, have nothing to do with the Constitution. It all goes back to 'fairness' and other nonsense.
    Anyone but me forget that the mandate was originally a conservative proposal that was justified on the basis of personal responsibility?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    IS TOO! IS NOT!!! IS TOO!!!

    Explain how my example of opting out of death is different.
    In medical emergencies time is crucial.

    At death there's plenty of time to decide what your finances are so that a rational decision on whether you get the metal or pine coffin and a marble or limestone marker can be made. Should we wait a day or two after an accident to do the same for the injured so we can figure out if they get the bandage or the boot?
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    That would be the part people have a problem with. How dare Obama and his cronies tell me where and how I have to spend my hard earned money AFTER they gouge the hell out of me on April 15th.

    Obama should be in prison.
    Damn you Heritage Foundantion, and Newt Gingrich, and Senator Grassley, and the dozens of other prominent conservative politicians who foisted this mandate upon us!!
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by SypherAL View Post
    Also, considering you probably dont know the definition of regulate is, I will be kind enough to give you an exact definition.

    reg·u·late/ˈregyəˌlāt/

    Verb:

    Control or maintain the rate or speed of (a machine or process) so that it operates properly.


    Control or supervise (something, esp. a company or business activity) by means of rules and regulations.

    Synonyms:
    adjust - control - arrange - settle - order - regularize



    anymore questions my fellow chess board pawns? Is this not a written law in your beloved constitution?
    Webster's Dictionary 1828:

    REG'ULATE, v.t.


    1. To adjust by rule, method or established mode; as, to regulate weights and measures; to regulate the assize of bread; to regulate our moral conduct by the laws of God and of society; to regulate our manners by the customary forms.

    2. To put in good order; as, to regulate the disordered state of a nation or its finances.

    3. To subject to rules or restrictions; as, to regulate trade; to regulate diet.
    Here's something closer to the original definition.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Now that is a truly idiotic response. You're on a roll. The fact that death is inevitable has absolutely nothing to do with markets, which is the context of the health insurance discussion.
    Hardly. The statement was that because you will engage in the commerce, you in effect are already engaging in the commerce. By exactly the same reasoning, because you will die, then you in effect are already dead.

    "The markets" have nothing to do with that, but nice attempt at a dodge.

    As for being on a "roll," I do have a roll of unanswered questions put to you.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Here's something closer to the original definition.
    "Laws are made for men of ordinary understanding and should, therefore, be construed by the ordinary rules of common sense. Their meaning is not to be sought for in metaphysical subtleties which may make anything mean everything or nothing at pleasure." --Thomas Jefferson to William Johnson, 1823. ME 15:450

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    Those are great Jefferson quotes. Jefferson must be rolling in his grave.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Anyone but me forget that the mandate was originally a conservative proposal that was justified on the basis of personal responsibility?
    Has not one whit to do with constitutionality.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    In medical emergencies time is crucial.

    At death there's plenty of time to decide what your finances are so that a rational decision on whether you get the metal or pine coffin and a marble or limestone marker can be made. Should we wait a day or two after an accident to do the same for the injured so we can figure out if they get the bandage or the boot?
    Again, has nothing to do with what I said. If "will do it" = "already doing it," then it's also true of death.

    But "will do it" does NOT equal "already doing it."
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Hardly. The statement was that because you will engage in the commerce, you in effect are already engaging in the commerce. By exactly the same reasoning, because you will die, then you in effect are already dead.

    "The markets" have nothing to do with that, but nice attempt at a dodge.

    As for being on a "roll," I do have a roll of unanswered questions put to you.
    Thanks for trying, but it's still an idiotic argument. You see, health insurance, like all insurance, is about probability. Even if you aren't sick now, your participation or lack of partiicpation in the insurance market affects everyone's costs.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

    -- Adam Smith

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