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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    We all know if someone is hurt in a car wreck and is unconscious they will be taken to a hospital ER. And once there the doctors will treat them.

    Would you like those laws changed as well? Should we check the injured at the accident site to make sure they're covered by health insurance or that their bank account is big enough to cover expenses before loading them into the ambulance?
    These questions have nothing to do with what I said about Boo Radley's profoundly stupid comment.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Then show how people opt of health care. As uninsured people do in fact get hurt, get seriously ill, and end up being treated, which is commerce, and we do pay for them, which is commerce, and that they cannot know in advance who will be so unlucky, in effect (meaning what happens in the real world), it will happen often enough to say they are already engaged. We have to plan for them, have the available service, knowing they won't be able to pay for it. Understand the argument before you respond.
    I got it fine. It's a stupid argument, as I demonstrated with my example of "opting out" of death.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    These questions have nothing to do with what I said about Boo Radley's profoundly stupid comment.
    But they do if you understand the comment.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I got it fine. It's a stupid argument, as I demonstrated with my example of "opting out" of death.

    No, you don't seem to as evidenced above.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, you don't seem to as evidenced above.
    IS TOO! IS NOT!!! IS TOO!!!

    Explain how my example of opting out of death is different.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It's amazing how many people are DETERMINED that the law is evil ... without having a clue what's in it. Now maybe Nancy Pelosi's comment starts to make sense?

    What the bill does, primarily, is extend health insurance to 30 million Americans who don't have it. It doesn't force anyone who can't afford it to buy insurance. But it does attempt to force people who CAN afford it to buy insurance. The bill provides subsidies, on a sliding income scale, for those who can't afford to buy it on their own.
    That would be the part people have a problem with. How dare Obama and his cronies tell me where and how I have to spend my hard earned money AFTER they gouge the hell out of me on April 15th.

    Obama should be in prison.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Anyone but me notice that 99.9% of the lefts arguments FOR the mandate, have nothing to do with the Constitution. It all goes back to 'fairness' and other nonsense.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    IS TOO! IS NOT!!! IS TOO!!!

    Explain how my example of opting out of death is different.
    It's really far too simple. I don't have to pay for your death. Your death doesn't run up my costs of dying. There is no real commerce involved. Here, I can bury you in the back yard. I promise I'll give your family a good deal.

    With health care, that cost is passed on. Those who are responsible pay for those who guess wrong. So, your irresponsibility is passed on to others.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It's all that was required of such a stupid thing to day.

    None of us can opt out of death, either. So, for the same practical purposes, we're all already dead. So why help anyone to live when they're already dead? Why bother with anything, for that matter? That's exactly the same "reasoning," to a T.

    If you disagree, put that on the list of things you need to explain why it's different.
    Now that is a truly idiotic response. You're on a roll. The fact that death is inevitable has absolutely nothing to do with markets, which is the context of the health insurance discussion.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Anyone but me notice that 99.9% of the lefts arguments FOR the mandate, have nothing to do with the Constitution. It all goes back to 'fairness' and other nonsense.
    At least many of them tend to mistake "good idea" (or their perception of it) as being the same as "constitutional."
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