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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Everyone will sooner or later (as the number would have to be so small as to not matter statistically).
    Man kids die violently in their 20's (car accidents, shootings, etc). As we all know, those are the healthiest people and least likely to use medical care (more likely to have never seen a doctor). However, clearly, some people will be forced by government to engage in commerce that otherwise would not be. I have no idea of the numbers.

    Just out of curiosity, do you say the same thing about voter ID laws? The number that have no way of ever obtaining a free ID are statistically insignifcant so that they don't matter in what hte government does?

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    First, nothing is free. But largely our house prices don't go up because you can't buy a mansion. I don't pay more for my car because you don't have one. Like auto insurance, the point here is that when you don't buy insurance, and then need health care, we end up paying for it. Thus we are harmed financially by your irresponsibility.
    Then fix the system by, oh I dunno, using the Constitution. Quit working to destroy the nation by bypassing it.

    And get out the word to all those 'we want free stuff' people that nothing is free. They seem to be missing that point by a wide margin.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    They were not engaged. Just because some people that have the same situation will survive and be engaged in commerce, does not mean that everyone will. So, to the original point, some people are not and will never be engaged in commerce, but will now be forced (by the government) to be. It may be rare, I don't have statistics, but it does happen.
    Let them pay their health care tax along with their Federal taxes, then.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    I was laughing in disgust at the endless tweets at the bottom of Ed's MSNBC show that try to equate laws for car insurance to the mandate.

    Can we really not understand the difference between the state's obligations if you DECIDE to buy a car, and the federal government forcing you to buy a product against your will?

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    If the mandate stays, your statement above would say "Congress has almost unfettered power to regulate interstate commerce..." It would also say that Congress and the Federal Government now has precedent to mandate citizens purchase a good or service, because it says so. If the mandate stays... we've crossed the Rubicon.
    This is a great counterpoint. If, God forbid, this thing is ruled constitutaional, what kid of toliet paper do you think they'll make us buy?

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's a silly comment. Having argued a couple dozen federal appellate cases I note that often judges ask questions that appear to be nothing more than trying to outdo the people sitting next to them. Maybe listening makes more sense-especially to the advocates who have spent hundreds of hours on the cases
    There can be an element of that. But not asking a single question in 6 years I think is a completely different matter. Clarence Thomas is a disgrace to the court. He has no business sitting on the highest court in our land.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    This is a great counterpoint. If, God forbid, this thing is ruled constitutaional, what kid of toliet paper do you think they'll make us buy?
    Even Sotomayor seems to be struggling with this (though I don't for a second think she'll vote to strike it down).

    Every one of those justices knows this will change the Constitution entirely, as well as the government's power over people. In effect, the Constitution will be ruled to be null and void.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Everyone eats food. Everyone lives in some sort of housing. Everyone uses transportation of some sort. Everyone breaths air.

    As was said, if the court uphold this, it unleashes government in a way far more draconian than ever before. America as it was meant to be would be dead.

    All due to the 'we want free stuff' people and those that fight for their right to free stuff. The old adage 'be careful what you wish for' does apply, and eventually in this potential new
    'america' they dreamed of, they will realize how wrong they were.
    Well, as you may have noticed, the government can and does regulate food production. And of course the government also regulates air quality. So you seem to making a pretty argument for the mandate.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Well, as you may have noticed, the government can and does regulate food production. And of course the government also regulates air quality. So you seem to making a pretty argument for the mandate.
    There are some things the fed should do. Like ensure a certain level of safety in the food we eat and air we breath. But those have nothing to do with forcing people to buy something that individual liberty mandates they have a choice to buy or not buy of their own will.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Well, as you may have noticed, the government can and does regulate food production. And of course the government also regulates air quality. So you seem to making a pretty argument for the mandate.
    By your arguments, there is nothing the federal government can't require you to do.

    According to everything you've said, why can't the federal government require you to keep your house painted in neutral colors, and keep it decluttered and depersonalized? After all, we're in a housing crisis and all the experts say that's what it takes to get a house sold. Oh, you don't want to sell your house? That's OK; according to your arguments, the federal government can require you to do that, too. As well as buy another one.

    I look forward to your explanation as to why that's different.
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