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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Those damn poor people skimming off everyone else! FINALLY, a president that will get the economic burdens of the poor off of corporate and private landowners.
    Are you trying to be sarcastic? Is so it's a fail. The truly poor are covered by Medicaid. The working poor, under AHCA, receive subsidies on a sliding scale to help them purchase health insurance. They are not subject to the mandate.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    As the government argued, everyone engages in health care commerce, whether they want to or not. The only question is whether those who can afford to pay for it but won't should be allowed to skim off of everyone else. When they do it drives up the cost of health care for responsible individuals.
    I am not as confident that the law will be overturned, as many in the media seem to be... But, I have known people that have never been to a doctor in their adult lives prior to dying. They did not engage in health care commerce.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    But, I have known people that have never been to a doctor in their adult lives prior to dying. They did not engage in health care commerce.
    Those people are far and few in between and quite rare nowadays.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Those people are far and few in between and quite rare nowadays.
    And yet they will be forced to engage in commerce.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    And yet they will be forced to engage in commerce.
    No, they won't. But they may have to pay a penalty. More likely they won't, as people who can afford insurance generally have it, either through an employer or purchased individually.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    And yet they will be forced to engage in commerce.
    They are already engaged. They will be ill. They will have a serious injury. Sooner or later. There is no opt out.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They are already engaged. They will be ill. They will have a serious injury. Sooner or later. There is no opt out.
    They're dead, so I find that unlikely. One from a car accident (dead at scene), one from an overdose (dead at scene) and another had a heart attack (died in bed).

    Edit: Additionally, my good friend has an older uncle that has never been to a doctor (we've discussed this due to Obamacare). It's possible he may need to see a medical professional eventually. However, it is also possible that he never will.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    "The ninth justice, conservative Clarence Thomas who is expected to vote against the law, asked no questions. He has not asked a question from the bench for more than six years."


    Is anyone surprised? This intellectual lightweight is nothing more than deadspace.
    Nothing compels Thomas to speak so he doesn't. His choice.... and he's there fore life and his vote still counts like everyone elses. Lightweight or not... deadspace or not.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    They're dead, so I find that unlikely. One from a car accident (dead at scene), one from an overdose (dead at scene) and another had a heart attack (died in bed).
    People do have these things and not die, and are treated. And we pay. Until you you either do die, or we decide to let you die, you cannot opt out of the system. You are already engaged. We're just paying for your irresponsibility.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They are already engaged. They will be ill. They will have a serious injury. Sooner or later. There is no opt out.
    There is a tiny minority of people who go through their whole life without having to see a doctor, but of that tiny minority, an even tinier minority will manage to avoid significant health care costs at the very end.

    Some startling statistics:

    It's not surprising that individuals in their last year of life consume a disproportionate share of medical resources. One percent of the population accounts for 30 percent of the nation's health care expenditures. Nearly half of those people are elderly.

    Medicare, the health insurance program for the elderly, spends nearly 30 percent of its budget on beneficiaries in their final year of life. Slightly more than half of Medicare dollars are spent on patients who die within two months.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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