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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by SypherAL View Post
    In Reply to AdamT,

    Congress DOES have the ability to force people to buy things, the real question is will the 5 conservative Supreme Court justices vote responsibly in favor the constitution, or return the favor to the GOP who gave them their seats? Im beginning to worry it's all about returning the favor. While I do believe it will be upheld 6-3 or 5-4 (the most likely outcome), its just plain ludicrous to think a vote could get this close when the bill is obviously constitutional. 5 Tyrants will decide the fate of the millions who need healthcare, while republicans call Obama the dictator.
    citation needed....

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    where did congress get that proper power? and what training do you have to make pronouncements that it is OBVIOUSLY Constitutional when judges and legal scholars have split on this issue.
    I didn't knows judges and legal scholars are genetically engineered to knows the secrets of life. You do understand that these individuals are human beings correct....? And make decisions based on feelings....correct? Only a completely delusional individual could believe that since the supreme court is split on an issue its 100% guaranteed unconstitutional.....you are like a third grader doing a history report.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    citation needed....
    "The Commerce Clause is an enumerated power listed in the United States Constitution (Article I, Section 8, Clause 3). The clause states that the United States Congress shall have power "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes."
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Is that the way the deal was fed to you? Last I looked we were given bank stocks just like we were given car company stocks - no difference at all.
    good point - the TARP loans should be separated from the TARP purchases.

    And not that it's really our business what the companies did with the money but instead of the bank money going to unions it went to a bunch of Fat Cat CEO's who had driven the banks into the hole in the first place.
    nah, most of it disappeared into the maw of depreciated assets. Bonuses continued, agreeably, but were fairly small portions of the bailout money.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by SypherAL View Post
    The Commerce Clause is an enumerated power listed in the United States Constitution (Article I, Section 8, Clause 3). The clause states that the United States Congress shall have power "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes." - Wikipedia

    .... and you believe the commerce clause empowers congress to mandate individual citizens commodity purchases?.. despite never having this power ever before in our entire history?

    alllllllrighty then.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by SypherAL View Post
    "The Commerce Clause is an enumerated power listed in the United States Constitution (Article I, Section 8, Clause 3). The clause states that the United States Congress shall have power "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes."
    So, can it make foreign Nations and Indian Tribes buy stuff, too?
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by SypherAL View Post
    I didn't knows judges and legal scholars are genetically engineered to knows the secrets of life. You do understand that these individuals are human beings correct....? And make decisions based on feelings....correct? Only a completely delusional individual could believe that since the supreme court is split on an issue its 100% guaranteed unconstitutional.....you are like a third grader doing a history report.

    translation-you aren't able to discuss legal issues with those of us who are professionals in this field.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    .... and you believe the commerce clause empowers congress to mandate individual citizens commodity purchases?.. despite never having this power ever before in our entire history?

    alllllllrighty then.
    Also, considering you probably dont know the definition of regulate is, I will be kind enough to give you an exact definition.

    reg·u·late/ˈregyəˌlāt/

    Verb:

    Control or maintain the rate or speed of (a machine or process) so that it operates properly.


    Control or supervise (something, esp. a company or business activity) by means of rules and regulations.

    Synonyms:
    adjust - control - arrange - settle - order - regularize



    anymore questions my fellow chess board pawns? Is this not a written law in your beloved constitution?
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    I don't see how anyone can read the Commerce Clause and interpret it as "The government can force you to purchase anything it wants you to".


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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by SypherAL View Post
    "The Commerce Clause is an enumerated power listed in the United States Constitution (Article I, Section 8, Clause 3). The clause states that the United States Congress shall have power "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes."
    don't see anything there about individual citizens. indeed no one else did until FDR's lapdogs pissed on 130+ years of precedent in order to foist the New Deal on us

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