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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Obama and co. were emphatically against the idea that it's a "tax" before it became a hail mary to save it in court.

    Obama: Mandate is Not a Tax - ABC News
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The government doesn't require people to have children either.
    that's a stupid comment, friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    states require parents to feed, cloth, house, & educate their children.

    you think these things are free?
    States don't force people to have kids.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Obama and co. were emphatically against the idea that it's a "tax" before it became a hail mary to save it in court.

    Obama: Mandate is Not a Tax - ABC News
    Which is irrelevant to whether it is or is not a tax.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    They are going to punt on the individual mandate. Since you cannot sue about taxes until after you have gone into effect, and that portion does not go into effect till 2014, they will not rule on that portion. They actually have ~1/3 of the time scheduled to discuss standing on that portion of the suit.
    You bring up an excellent point. The first argument SCOTUS is going to hear is whether the court is going to be allowed to hear the case at all, at this time. I have just read up on the Anti-Injunction Act, and now believe that this case could be punted to the year 2015. What they will be deciding is whether a tax code penalty is the same thing as a tax. If it is, the case gets punted. If not, then SCOTUS continues to hear the case.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    States do not require people to purchase cars, nor purchase houses.... which invalidates your "requirement" argument as it applies to ObamaCare and the mandate.
    But they do require insurance if you already have a car. Everybody already has emergency health insurance and will be treated at any emergency room in the country regardless of ability to pay. That "insurance" is now free, the law only asks that all peopel now pay for it. Is that your problem? Paying for insurance that used to be free?

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    But they do require insurance if you already have a car. Everybody already has emergency health insurance and will be treated at any emergency room in the country regardless of ability to pay. That "insurance" is now free, the law only asks that all peopel now pay for it. Is that your problem? Paying for insurance that used to be free?
    very, very good point.

    currently, ALL Americans have free, taxpayer-funded emergency health insurance. Its called Medicaid.

    the govt. is now simply asking Americans to PAY for this insurance, rather than getting it from the taxpayers.

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    very, very good point.

    currently, ALL Americans have free, taxpayer-funded emergency health insurance. Its called Medicaid.

    the govt. is now simply asking Americans to PAY for this insurance, rather than getting it from the taxpayers.
    Are you seriously suggesting that bills does nothing more than force people--who couldn't afford health insurance prior--to start paying for health insurance, or pay a fine?

    If they couldn't afford it before, how in the hell are they going to afford it, now?
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    that's a stupid comment, friend.
    I used it to show your stupid argument... which I gather you have now abandoned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    But they do require insurance if you already have a car. Everybody already has emergency health insurance and will be treated at any emergency room in the country regardless of ability to pay. That "insurance" is now free, the law only asks that all peopel now pay for it. Is that your problem? Paying for insurance that used to be free?
    If the person then pays taxes they already pay for it. Why should they be fined bylthe government.

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