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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I'm surprised that the oral argument didn't bring up the fact that this is NOT the first time that Congress has mandated that Americans purchase something. In fact in the Second Militia Act of 1792, none other than our Founding Fathers mandated that able bodied men purchase firearms and supplies.
    I would think that would fall under raising and supporting armies, not the Commerce Clause.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

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    I would think that would fall under raising and supporting armies, not the Commerce Clause.
    Is there a less stringent standard for Congressional action under the militia clause?
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    And isn't it absurd to suggest that Congress doesn't have the power to impose this penalty, which would affect about 2% of the population, but it DOES have the power to impose a full-blown national health care system?
    No.

    Because they could impose a national health care system that is purely government controlled, thus like social security, is government forced on the people. Whereas what they are doing now is requiring people to buy from private industry.

    Hopefully the court decided in line with the Constitution for a change, and get's rid of this horrible legislation that will do nothing but increase our nations debt and provide for a lower quality of healthcare.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Is there a less stringent standard for Congressional action under the militia clause?
    I would argue that armies need weapons and ammunition to operate and during that period expecting members of the militia to provide their own weapons wasn't inconceivable. Congress can supply that army however it pleases, even if it means forcing the members of that army supply their own weapons. Raise and support. Whereas the commerce clause says "regulate" not "Create and regulate."
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    The mandate isn't aimed at people who can't pay their bills. It's aimed at people who can afford health insurance but choose not purchase it.

    As Scalia said today, the solution here is to not tell insurance companies that they have to cover people with pre-existing conditions. It is still creating commerce by forcing people to purchase a product they do not want.

    First, the text in bold is completely irrelevant to the Constitutionality of the argument. Second, no. As you have said, the health care system is obviously an interstate commerce issue as it is nearly 20% of our GDP. My problem with the Affordable Care Act is the individual mandate.
    I could live with all of those conditions if people want to sign a non-revocable "Do Not Treat" form when they turn 18. Then it's simple. If they want medical care they cough up the money in advance. If they don't have $50 to see the doctor, hit the road. If they haven't saved $50k for the life-saving operation they need at 40, too bad, they had 22 years to save and didn't. Yeah - I'm good with that.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Right, because we all know that law school grades are the ultimate measure of intelligence. That's how we know that Obama is a genius.
    Roberts was number one in his class as was Alito. Bow to the real masters of the universe!! But the fact remains, Mitchell told WH Counsel Peter Keisler (Romney wins expect him on the DC CC or the USSC) and Lee Liberman (Otis) that if Bush didn't nominate a black to replace TM, the nominee would be "Borked"

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I could live with all of those conditions if people want to sign a non-revocable "Do Not Treat" form when they turn 18. Then it's simple. If they want medical care they cough up the money in advance. If they don't have $50 to see the doctor, hit the road. If they haven't saved $50k for the life-saving operation they need at 40, too bad, they had 22 years to save and didn't. Yeah - I'm good with that.
    until you need 300k to save you or your childs life, you will be asking god for forgiveness for the statement you just made. What goes around comes around, karma can be quite unforgiving when she comes to visit.
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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Or maybe it's because the Act is constitutional, and it's a no-brainer that it is, but conservatives on the Court are so politically motivated that they will probably find a way to rule against it. See Bush v. Gore.
    anyone who claims that the mandate is a no brainer constitutional is clearly unlearned about constitutional law.

    Actually the only reason why a rational conservative judge would uphold it is a conservative who follows even bad precedent (see Jeffrey Sutton, 6th CoA)

    bush v gore-you mean the case where 7 (SEVEN) dem trial judges in florida found for Bush and the SCOFLAW overruled them and threw out their FINDINGS OF FACT?

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by SypherAL View Post
    until you need 300k to save your life, what a selfish statement. What goes around comes around, karma can be quite unforgiving when she comes to visit.
    Like it or not, your existence is not a just claim on the property or time of someone else

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    Re: Supreme Court health care arguments under way

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Like it or not, your existence is not a just claim on the property or time of someone else
    Like I said before, once you need a life saving operation or your kid gets really sick you will be eating your words, I hope you are denied ALL coverage, but then again you probably either A. Inherited money from your parents B. Have never had to witness a loved one struggle to receive medical care to save their life C. Have no idea what your talking about and/or just dont care about human life in general.
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